So, what is the difference....

[Ibby]

It's a bit of overstatement but here are their two shots, smuggled out of the area, of un-uniformed Hez fighters, dressed to walk away and blend in, moving mobile cannons and launchers and firing right out of a suburban zone.

That's one that that has ALWAYS gotten me about the fights in afghanistan, iraq, and now lebanon...

All the terrorists have to do is throw down their AK47 or drop their RPG and theyre 'civillians', and then when they get a bomb dropped on them theyre just another 'civillian' casualty.

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Originally Posted by Ibram

All the terrorists have to do is throw down their AK47 or drop their RPG and theyre 'civillians', and then when they get a bomb dropped on them theyre just another 'civillian' casualty.

Which completely ignores reality. Pilots have no idea who they are bombing. They cannot even see rockets, AK-47, etc. A rocket was launched from a town hours previously. Therefore the town's three story apartment building is attacked.

Those rockets can even be launched with a timer. Where a rocket has launched means there is no enemy there. Fire the rocket and leave. Bombs come later to attack the local population. Bomb anything that could be a bunker. In frustration, a pilot is told to attack the town anyway. A rocket came from that town. Therefore everyone in that town is 'evil'. Welcome to a little fact they forget to mention about the bombing.

If Israel really wants to stop rockets and kill combatants, then Israel must invade: boots on the ground. No way around that fact. No way whatsoever. A fact so obvious that everyone here should have known it. Israel is simply punishing everyone in that 20 mile region AND in Tyre, Beirut, on Lebanon's highways, etc. They are all 'evil' since the Lebanese Army does not evict Hezbollah. You knew that pilots cannot even see rockets waiting to launch? You tell me who is and is not a combatant? You cannot because we (The Cellar) nor Israelis have any troops on the ground.

No ground controllers means bombing without knowing who they are. Those bombers are not taking out combatants. Bombers are attacking anyone - including UN personal and aid convoys. Why? Without troops on the ground, those planes have no idea what they are attacking. Anyone who did not know that is fodder for propaganda machines. Israel's military operations make no distinction between civilian or combatant because ground spotters do not exist. Israelis know this. They bomb anyway and tell you they were combatants or regrettable mistakes. There are no mistakes. There are no ground spotters. The purpose is to drive everyone out. How could this not be obvious? Because most people assume planes can see these rockets they are attacking. Wrong. They are attacking long after rockets have been fired AND after combatants have left the area. What is sometimes left? Civilians.