So, what is the difference....

[Undertoad]

The same dead bodies are "rescued" over and over for the cameras

Don't visit the link unless you can stomach seeing two different dead bodies being carted around, taken on and off ambulances, pulled out of rubble several times, and generally paraded around for different photographers of different press agencies, for a period of hours and hours.

[Trilby]

'loathsome creatures' indeed. I have often felt the wailing and gnashing of Arabic teeth was for our benefit. Here's proof.

[Spexxvet]

Pretty damning stuff, UT.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Ibram

All the terrorists have to do is throw down their AK47 or drop their RPG and theyre 'civillians', and then when they get a bomb dropped on them theyre just another 'civillian' casualty.

Which completely ignores reality. Pilots have no idea who they are bombing. They cannot even see rockets, AK-47, etc. A rocket was launched from a town hours previously. Therefore the town's three story apartment building is attacked.

Those rockets can even be launched with a timer. Where a rocket has launched means there is no enemy there. Fire the rocket and leave. Bombs come later to attack the local population. Bomb anything that could be a bunker. In frustration, a pilot is told to attack the town anyway. A rocket came from that town. Therefore everyone in that town is 'evil'. Welcome to a little fact they forget to mention about the bombing.

If Israel really wants to stop rockets and kill combatants, then Israel must invade: boots on the ground. No way around that fact. No way whatsoever. A fact so obvious that everyone here should have known it. Israel is simply punishing everyone in that 20 mile region AND in Tyre, Beirut, on Lebanon's highways, etc. They are all 'evil' since the Lebanese Army does not evict Hezbollah. You knew that pilots cannot even see rockets waiting to launch? You tell me who is and is not a combatant? You cannot because we (The Cellar) nor Israelis have any troops on the ground.

No ground controllers means bombing without knowing who they are. Those bombers are not taking out combatants. Bombers are attacking anyone - including UN personal and aid convoys. Why? Without troops on the ground, those planes have no idea what they are attacking. Anyone who did not know that is fodder for propaganda machines. Israel's military operations make no distinction between civilian or combatant because ground spotters do not exist. Israelis know this. They bomb anyway and tell you they were combatants or regrettable mistakes. There are no mistakes. There are no ground spotters. The purpose is to drive everyone out. How could this not be obvious? Because most people assume planes can see these rockets they are attacking. Wrong. They are attacking long after rockets have been fired AND after combatants have left the area. What is sometimes left? Civilians.

[Trilby]

It is impossible to fight a surgically precise war and nobody has ever, nor will ever, do it. Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki...military targets? Civilians die in wars. That's what a war is. You don't want the bear to attack? Then don't poke him, asshole.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

The same dead bodies are "rescued" over and over for the cameras

If you are a child in an adult body, then pictures bother you. Meanwhile, this is war. Killing in massive numbers is necessary because of why this war exists. Either one fights responsible or one kills everyone with little regard. Israel did not have to start this war. They could have continued doing what they always did when Hezbollah kidnapped soldiers - trade. Or Israel could have invaded. Instead Israel has decided to target everyone - a free fire zone. Those are facts.

Those pictures are for the children among us. Meanwhile adults are more concerned with what this war means for the future. Adults are concerned how this war affects the living. Those dead bodies are nothing more than trophies. Yes, that is what an adult does when viewing war pictures. Were the trophies done for justifiable reasons, or do they exist because of people who subvert the purpose of mankind.

Take pictures for hours. Does not matter to adults. Adults demand numbers, justification, and justice again those who would even arrange the massacre of 5,000 Palestinian women and children. Current war is not justified. It exists because leaders in Washington would rather labeled everyone in black and white - good and evil. Then fix all problems by only killing evil. A 'big dic' mentality is alive and well. Those bodies of innocent civilians are nothing more than trophies. Take all pictures necessary - and then take more. They are only trophies to those who would rather attack everyone else. They are propaganda for the children in adult bodies. If you are an adult, one picture or a million makes little difference. Instead you demand facts - such as the smoking gun.

Civilians are attacked because Israel will not even put troops on the ground. What cowards they are. If Israel only wants to eliminate Hezbollah, the Israel's strategic objective would have been clear - a complete invasion. Instead, Israel has declared anyone inside selected areas of Lebanon as evil. Does not matter who they are. They must be killed - trophies for a mantle. Nothing emotional about that fact. Israel cannot know who they are killing - no ground spotters. Israel just attacks anything in a free fire zone. What results are trophies. Take pictures to hype adult sized children. Learn from those pictures what Israel's strategic objective is; think like an adult.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Brianna

It is impossible to fight a surgically precise war and nobody has ever, nor will ever, do it.

Of course a surgically precise war is accomplished. It means ground spotters. Oh. But that is too dangerous. So instead declare anything that moves as the enemy - and kill it. It's called a free fire zone. It is what the US military did in Vietnam when top generals had no idea why America was losing a Vietnam war.

Only reason those civilians are intentionally being killed - Israel does not have the balls to attack Hezbollah using troops. Too many dead Israelis would then drive centrists out of extremists ranks and back to where intelligent people think without emotional bias.

Your post implies Dresden had a military purpose. It did not. It was based in a failed concept that one wins by killing more enemy. Battles are not won that way. But again, first year Military Science. Define a victory. Little hint. Victory is not defined by more dead bodies. Only those with 'big dic' mentalities believe those myths. Military Science 101. Define victory.

[Trilby]

tw--you say Hez'bllh 'assumed Israel would do what it always did when Hzbl kidnapped Israeli soldiers--trade. How fucking stupid do you have to be to ASSUME your mortal enemy will do such and such?

I was not implying Dresden was a military target.

I do not have a 'big dic' mentality. I hate Bush as much as you do and Cheney even more. I hate these Arab agitators, too. Lay the blame where it belongs, man. On Hzblh and all their ilk. Do I like what is going on? Of course not, it is heartbreaking. However, if I am not mistaken, Hzblh was ELECTED into power by the Lebanese. They WANTED them.

[Undertoad]

For the last four years Hez has occasionally lobbed rockets into Israel from S. Lebanon. For years Israel asked them politely to please stop. So yes, this isn't only about two kidnappings. tw ignores what he wants to ignore.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Brianna

You don't want the bear to attack? Then don't poke him, asshole.

Who is the "you"? Hezbollah wants all this to happen.

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Who is the "you"? Hezbollah wants all this to happen.

Of course they do. The 'you' I was refering to is the phantom 'you' that the Arabs and tw want us to swallow--the wholly innocent Hzblh! They poke the bear, enrage him and then stand by all wide-eyed and stunned that the bear fights back, beseeching the world to look at the crazy, war-mongering bear who does nothing but defend himself in the face of attack. Hzblh is killing the Lebanese children--they poked the bear, wanting the response they got. They wail and gnash for the camera's, but, it is Hzblh who are responsible.

[Happy Monkey]

So Israel has been successfully integrated into Hezbollah's propaganda effort. You'd think they could be smarter han the average bear.

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

So Israel has been successfully integrated into Hezbollah's propaganda effort. You'd think they could be smarter han the average bear.

Isn't that the feeling you are getting?

[Ibby]

The rusty wire that holds the cork
That keeps the anger in
Gives way
And suddenly it's day again.
The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done.
Two suns in the sunset...
Could be the human race is run.

[Happy Monkey]

It is exactly the feeling I am getting. I wasn't being sarcastic. Hezbollah has Israel dancing precisely to its tune. They provoke Israel into doing something stupid, and then use Israel's stupidity for recruiting purposes.