So, what is the difference.... - Page 16

Hippikos · 08-04-2006, 03:24 AM

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Mags, do you have moral equivalency police duty this week?

I'm sorry, how could I forget y'all live on moral highground.

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Meanwhile Hezbollah rains down rockets quite literally randomly on Israel without the vaguest pretense of attacking anything military thereby. All IDF is doing is trying to stop them, which is their right.

Meanwhile the IDF is killing Lebanese civillians randomly with a rate of 40:1. Reminds me of Lidice.

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IDF is not targeting civilians, nor would it be to their advantage to do so. They are doing their best to attack only military targets. Note that the convention states

This remark shows that either the IDF is making a complete mess of it, or you eat all propaganda the Israeli government is spooning you...

The IDF "precision" bombs a place from where it thinks Katusha rockets has been fired, no matter if and how many civillians are killed. Not only the Arabs but especially Israel has a long list of collateral damage.

glatt · 08-04-2006, 08:05 AM

A neighborhood in Beruit. Images taken two weeks apart.

Stolen from Washington Post.

MaggieL · 08-04-2006, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt

A neighborhood in Beruit. Images taken two weeks apart.

Are you claiming that image is representative of the entire city? Or is that the site of a military target cherrypicked from available data?

I note that the surrounding area appears to be untouched.

Undertoad · 08-04-2006, 10:20 AM

"...show the level of destruction in this area of Beirut"

Sometimes you have to "fix" the AP caption.

Spexxvet · 08-04-2006, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt

A neighborhood in Beruit. Images taken two weeks apart.

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C'mon! That's on the back lot of a hollywood studio, right beside the Tranquilty Base and holocaust sets [/sarcasm]

MaggieL · 08-04-2006, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Hippikos

Meanwhile the IDF is killing Lebanese civillians randomly with a rate of 40:1. Reminds me of Lidice.

Source please? Especially for the claim of "randomness". Speaking of eating propaganda.

Of course if there's 80 civilians clustered around every rocket launcher with a crew of two that wouldn't be surprising. The "60 civilians" at Quana turned out to be actually 20 women and children. Curiously enough there were *no* men killed. I'm sure that's the IDF's fault too; they obviously have a weapon that preferentially kills women and children.

Maybe that launcher only needed one terrorist to load it and 20 women and children to shield it.

MaggieL · 08-04-2006, 10:38 AM

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C'mon! That's on the back lot of a hollywood studio, right beside the Tranquilty Base and holocaust sets [/sarcasm]

No, all it takes to control the spin is the power to write the caption.

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Originally Posted by CNN

Before and after satellite images of Dahieh, Lebanon, a southern suburb of Beirut and home to Hezbollah's headquarters, show how it has dramatically deteriorated during warfare between Israel and Hezbollah.

glatt · 08-04-2006, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

Are you claiming that image is representative of the entire city? Or is that the site of a military target cherrypicked from available data?

I note that the surrounding area appears to be untouched.

Well. I linked to the article it came from, but going back to it now, I see the Post has changed it around some, and dropped the description that accompanied the pic. In fact, the pics are gone from the site. I'm glad I stole them.

Anyway, the article said that Israel claims this neighborhood is a Hezbollah stronghold, and has bombed it repeatedly.

I posted the pictures because they add information to the discussion. The one neighborhood in the center has been pretty much flattened, but the surrounding areas are pretty intact (from space anyway.)

MaggieL · 08-04-2006, 11:23 AM

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In fact, the pics are gone from the site. I'm glad I stole them.

Steal the CNN caption too...or there will be one more urban legend in the infowar. The images don't "add information to the discussion" without the explanation as to why that area has been flattened.

glatt · 08-04-2006, 11:54 AM

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Steal the CNN caption too...

I didn't get them from CNN.

glatt · 08-04-2006, 11:56 AM

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The images don't "add information to the discussion" without the explanation as to why that area has been flattened.

The link I provided gave that explanation. It has since been changed. Complain to the Post, not to me.

MaggieL · 08-04-2006, 01:31 PM

The image you posted bore a caption: "Two images [times taken] show the level of distruction in Beruit". I'd call that pretty misleading, even if the more complete story was once at the other end of a link. Obviously it's way far from representative, yet standing alone it claims to show THE level of destruction.

Yes, I know, you didn't write that caption either. But you did sever the pic from it's actual context, which should accompany the image. Since the WaPo page has Joined the Choir Invisibule, the CNN caption will do.

The large print giveth, the small print taketh away.

Trilby · 08-04-2006, 01:56 PM

I love it when Mag quotes the Bible.*

*Bible according to the Magster.

Undertoad · 08-04-2006, 02:13 PM

http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages...HIC/index.html

NYT does so much a better job here, it's just plain not funny!

Be sure to hit the LABELS button and see exactly what was hit.

Ibby · 08-04-2006, 02:29 PM

Notice the PRECISION with which the IDF DIDN'T destroy churches, schools, and municipal buildings.

08-04-2006, 08:05 AM	#227
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	A neighborhood in Beruit. Images taken two weeks apart. Stolen from Washington Post. Attached Images

08-04-2006, 01:31 PM	#237
MaggieL in the Hour of Scampering Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Jeffersonville PA (15 mi NW of Philadelphia) Posts: 4,060	The image you posted bore a caption: "Two images [times taken] show the level of distruction in Beruit". I'd call that pretty misleading, even if the more complete story was once at the other end of a link. Obviously it's way far from representative, yet standing alone it claims to show THE level of destruction. Yes, I know, you didn't write that caption either. But you did sever the pic from it's actual context, which should accompany the image. Since the WaPo page has Joined the Choir Invisibule, the CNN caption will do. The large print giveth, the small print taketh away. __________________ "Neither can his Mind be thought to be in Tune,whose words do jarre; nor his reason In frame, whose sentence is preposterous..."

08-04-2006, 01:56 PM	#238
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	I love it when Mag quotes the Bible.* Bible according to the Magster. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum Last edited by Trilby; 08-04-2006 at 02:01 PM.*

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Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Notice the PRECISION with which the IDF DIDN'T destroy churches, schools, and municipal buildings. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

08-04-2006, 10:20 AM	#229
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	"...show the level of destruction in this area of Beirut" Sometimes you have to "fix" the AP caption.

08-04-2006, 02:13 PM	#239
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages...HIC/index.html NYT does so much a better job here, it's just plain not funny! Be sure to hit the LABELS button and see exactly what was hit.

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