Evolution’s Backers in Kansas Start Counterattack - Page 5

Ibby · 08-08-2006, 11:58 AM

BA-BIBLE & WORSHIP ARTS
BS-BIBLE & WORSHIP ARTS

Now, ignoring the obvious 'BS' jokes... Bible and Worship is an art? Must be some new usage of the word I wasnt aware of.

Pangloss62 · 08-08-2006, 03:17 PM

I can understand a BA in Bible & Worship Arts, but a BS is an "Arts" course? That's just fucking stupid.

Elspode · 08-08-2006, 04:15 PM

The reason that only Bible stuff is taught in Bible colleges is because religion is a viable career...a viable *profitmaking* career. But...if you teach the preachers and music worship folks Business and Finance, people will look at them more cynically, so you hire those folks from the outside, and then use the college educated religion salespeople to draw in the marks...I mean parishoners, and separate them from their cash.

Yes, I am cynical about organized religion. Why do you ask?

xoxoxoBruce · 08-08-2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KinkyVixen

I don't think I should have to sit in a science class and be taught my teachers view of the world and religion and evolution and be told that if I don't agree with him I will flunk the class. It's ok for him to have his opinion and shove it down my throat (believe it or else), but it's not ok to have my own?

Science teachers don't don't teach their opinion, they don't teach religion, either. They teach science.

tw · 08-08-2006, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KinkyVixen

You guys spend an awful lot of time worrying about shit...

How obvious. Don't think. Have an education equivalent to a monkey. Then proclaim superiority to those monkeys. Then fight wars for the destruction of mankind - and proclaim all is part of god's will. It must be because it must be.

Why was that logic not so obvious? Clearly I waste time trying to become informed. Clearly I spend not enough time appreciating biblical logic.

Be like a monkey. That means I will be superior - god's chosen creature. Clearly I was wasting too much time learning god’s laws that are not in the bible. Foolish me. Even monkeys know better – that man cannot even fly. Why do I waste time learning science when everything necessary to know is already in the bible? Even gallstones can be removed by prayer. Why waste time in a hospital consulting someone trained in science? After all, god tells us so. How do we know? He told Pat Robertson. And clearly god wants man to destroy all those other evil religions - for the glory of god.

Clearly it must be the purpose of man; to do god’s bidding. Cleanse the world of evil people – especially those so silly as to believe other religions. Even the Jews will be converted. Silly me. I did not realize the bible would tell me all just like a fortune teller. Why did I waste time learning things? Kinkyvixen has just made the purpose of life so obvious.

IOW those who know as much science as a monkey are little different from that monkey. Monkeys also don't understand that science - therefore don't discover more of god's laws.

9th Engineer · 08-09-2006, 12:20 AM

Well to be honest the science of evolution is 95% carbon dating and material analysis, the rest has the same science content as studying medieval castles. Determining the age of a rock is science, the Theory of Evolution is history. You can test it with genetics, chemistry and biology, but it isn't in any of those fields. You'd be very supprised at how little respect most real scientists have for all but a few scientists who work with evolution, our research grants depend on us keeping that to ourselves though. It's the same thing you see in global warming, scientists on both sides are pressured to say what their employers want to hear because if not 'the other side wins'. I kid you not. It drives the rest of us absolutly nuts.

Honestly, I'd be happier with a good theory of evolution than proof of god, it's more convenient in my line of work. I deal mostly with implants and neural motor prosthesis. Evolution makes sense to me because I can see the next step, we are driven to devolop non-neuron based computational technology because our flesh has hit it's developmental limit. Our brains have an advantage over computers now only because of parallel computing, in terms of processing speed we are no match. The human brain can perform about 20 million billion calculations persecond, our computers now can match about 60% of that. By around 2013 we will be able to replicate the full potential of the human mind, and by 2030 about a million dollars will buy you a computer as powerful as every human on the planet combined. See the pattern? We won't stay competitive for much longer, so will be forced to either fade away or form a sybiosis with our superior counterparts.

Unfortunatly research on linking our nervous system directly into our computers is behind the times, but not by a serious margin. You may have heard of Matt Nagle, in 2001 he was paralysed from the neck down and cannot breath without assistance or talk at all. Thanks to an implant in his neuromotor cortex he can now type, move a mouse, control his wheelchair and move a robotic arm.

Everything in our bodies is simple electrical interaction, all you have to do is isolate it and control it. Our children will probably think nothing of porting their entire consciousness directly into their computers.

Griff · 08-09-2006, 07:58 AM

Doonesbury

RonBurgundy · 08-09-2006, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff

Doonesbury

Excellent cartoon Griff.

Elspode · 08-09-2006, 02:12 PM

I don't get it. Why is God making the TB bugs more drug-resistant? Does he hate us and want us all to die?

9th Engineer · 08-09-2006, 02:13 PM

I wouldn't blame him if he did

barefoot serpent · 08-09-2006, 04:32 PM

no, it's his... um His method of thinning the herd.

Pie · 08-09-2006, 04:44 PM

...then he needs to be a little more selective in whom he culls.

barefoot serpent · 08-09-2006, 04:52 PM

yes, naturally

tw · 08-09-2006, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Elspode

I don't get it. Why is God making the TB bugs more drug-resistant? Does he hate us and want us all to die?

The minute that god is a 'he' or 'she', then god is only a ‘Superman’; no different from gods worshipped by Greeks or Romans. How does Christianity differ from other pagan religions? Not by much.

Humans have a psychological need for a parent figure. So humans invent a human like god. It worked. From those parables came lessons on life – how all could be productive members of society. Back then, worship of ‘super nanny’ was easier for most to comprehend. In reality, life and death comes from things they did not understand and that are today measured by tools such as statistics and biology. There is no ‘he’ or ‘she’ in god. But those concept exist in pagan religions.

Elspode · 08-09-2006, 11:21 PM

Um...I was joking. I forgot to insert the [sarcasm] tags.

That man has created God in his own murderous, bipolar image is fairly clear to me, TW.

08-08-2006, 11:58 AM	#61
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	BA-BIBLE & WORSHIP ARTS BS-BIBLE & WORSHIP ARTS Now, ignoring the obvious 'BS' jokes... Bible and Worship is an art? Must be some new usage of the word I wasnt aware of. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

08-08-2006, 03:17 PM	#62
Pangloss62 Lecturer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Atlanta Posts: 768	ARTS I can understand a BA in Bible & Worship Arts, but a BS is an "Arts" course? That's just fucking stupid. __________________ Things are never as good, or bad, as they seem.

08-08-2006, 04:15 PM	#63
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	The reason that only Bible stuff is taught in Bible colleges is because religion is a viable career...a viable profitmaking career. But...if you teach the preachers and music worship folks Business and Finance, people will look at them more cynically, so you hire those folks from the outside, and then use the college educated religion salespeople to draw in the marks...I mean parishoners, and separate them from their cash. Yes, I am cynical about organized religion. Why do you ask? __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

08-09-2006, 12:20 AM	#66
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	Well to be honest the science of evolution is 95% carbon dating and material analysis, the rest has the same science content as studying medieval castles. Determining the age of a rock is science, the Theory of Evolution is history. You can test it with genetics, chemistry and biology, but it isn't in any of those fields. You'd be very supprised at how little respect most real scientists have for all but a few scientists who work with evolution, our research grants depend on us keeping that to ourselves though. It's the same thing you see in global warming, scientists on both sides are pressured to say what their employers want to hear because if not 'the other side wins'. I kid you not. It drives the rest of us absolutly nuts. Honestly, I'd be happier with a good theory of evolution than proof of god, it's more convenient in my line of work. I deal mostly with implants and neural motor prosthesis. Evolution makes sense to me because I can see the next step, we are driven to devolop non-neuron based computational technology because our flesh has hit it's developmental limit. Our brains have an advantage over computers now only because of parallel computing, in terms of processing speed we are no match. The human brain can perform about 20 million billion calculations persecond, our computers now can match about 60% of that. By around 2013 we will be able to replicate the full potential of the human mind, and by 2030 about a million dollars will buy you a computer as powerful as every human on the planet combined. See the pattern? We won't stay competitive for much longer, so will be forced to either fade away or form a sybiosis with our superior counterparts. Unfortunatly research on linking our nervous system directly into our computers is behind the times, but not by a serious margin. You may have heard of Matt Nagle, in 2001 he was paralysed from the neck down and cannot breath without assistance or talk at all. Thanks to an implant in his neuromotor cortex he can now type, move a mouse, control his wheelchair and move a robotic arm. Everything in our bodies is simple electrical interaction, all you have to do is isolate it and control it. Our children will probably think nothing of porting their entire consciousness directly into their computers. __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

08-09-2006, 07:58 AM	#67
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Doonesbury __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-09-2006, 02:12 PM	#69
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	I don't get it. Why is God making the TB bugs more drug-resistant? Does he hate us and want us all to die? __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

08-09-2006, 02:13 PM	#70
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	I wouldn't blame him if he did __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

08-09-2006, 04:32 PM	#71
barefoot serpent go ahead, abbrev. it Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lawrence, KS Posts: 2,623	no, it's his... um His method of thinning the herd. __________________ Chooses rowing vs. wading

08-09-2006, 04:44 PM	#72
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	...then he needs to be a little more selective in whom he culls. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

08-09-2006, 04:52 PM	#73
barefoot serpent go ahead, abbrev. it Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lawrence, KS Posts: 2,623	yes, naturally __________________ Chooses rowing vs. wading

08-09-2006, 11:21 PM	#75
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Um...I was joking. I forgot to insert the [sarcasm] tags. That man has created God in his own murderous, bipolar image is fairly clear to me, TW. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

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