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9th Engineer · 08-22-2006, 08:56 PM

annoyedsas, this isn't meant as a personal attack as such, but a blanket statement saying that medicines only treat the symtoms without treating the cause is entirely untrue. Nothing in your body happens that isn't the result of a chemical reaction, and 'natural remedies' either sell the same chemicals under a different name or do nothing and just wait for the body to recover on its own. The 'toxins' that so many snake-oil pedelers talk about and claim must be purged with their special all-natural treatment? Complete BS. Believe me on this, what goes on in your body is no more magical or mysterious then what happens under the hood of my car. The reason there are so many success stories with alternative medicine is because in the vast majority of cases your body will recover all on it's own, sticking a needle in your skin makes no difference one way or the other.

Oh, please let me know what non-synthetic alternatives there are to chemotherapy, you'll just have to show how it works.

annoyedsas · 08-23-2006, 08:34 AM

9th Engineer - I am wary of any Cellar members personally attacking me - it has happened before.

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with alternative medicine is because in the vast majority of cases your body will recover all on it's own

There was no way my body could recover all on it's own without intervention of therapies. I had two grade four aggressive malignant brain tumours and was told I would not see past Christmas 2004. I cannot go into (again) all I have been doing, but chemo certainly did me no favours. The hospital team all but told me it just holds it off but chemo will never rid someone of cancer. There are previous threads of all I have done if you are interested.

9th Engineer · 08-24-2006, 04:27 PM

I looked up the threads you mentioned, strange I didn't see them before. You asked people what their background was several times so if it has any impact on your opinions of what I say I'm a second year bioengineering student with an added minor in neuroscience (your mention of two class 4 brain tumors definately caught my attention. This being said I am not what you would call a premed student, premeds just take their bio and chem courses and regurgitate facts onto their exams. We take a bit of a different approach and probably one you'll like a bit better if I guessed. I do not have one iota of loyalty to any sort of medical dogma, I want to know what works and far, far more importantly, why. That being said, both of my parents hold M.D.'s (father is an ER physician, mother is a family doc) so I've heard all the stories people tell their doctors and I have a healthy scepticism of home remedies.

I place the burden of proof on you, but have an open ear for abnormalities.

I read through your treatment regimen and I'd like to hear a bit more detail about the DHEA, Withania somnifera, and Astragalus membranaceus. I'm looking into the last two but I haven't gotten all the way through their sections on www.herbmed.org. I can tell you that the oils, antioxidents, Vit E, liver stimulent, and lemon juice(? Vit C ?) might be good for general health but are not producing the effects on the cancer.

Oh, please stay away from testimonials as evidence. There are some basic clinical trials listed at the link I included and many more out there. Evidence must be clean.

annoyedsas · 08-24-2006, 07:05 PM

Posted by 9th Engineer

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I can tell you that the oils, antioxidants, Vit E, liver stimulant, and lemon juice(? Vit C ?) might be good for general health but are not producing the effects on the cancer.

The antioxidants are to keep me healthy. This was particularly needed whilst having chemo and radio - which really tried to mess me up. The decline in antioxidants after radiation can be subtle but long-lasting. Vit C - again, immune boosting. It can inhibit the conversion of a normal to a cancerous cell after exposure to a carcinogen. I was offered blood transfusions as an option during chemo - this was not an option for me. My white blood cell count and platelet count was increasing throughout the therapy. VIt E (as an oil capsule) I am using to protect the healthy calls from further damage. The lemon juice is to keep my body at an alkaline level.
The DHEA (Dehydroepiandrosterone) is not for an increase in orgasmic intensity! (a disputed effect) but for decreasing insulin resistance. Something else I have going on - insulin intollerance.

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Oh, please stay away from testimonials as evidence. There are some basic clinical trials listed at the link I included and many more out there. Evidence must be clean.

I actually hardly ever believe testimonials I read in books. That's contradicting what I have been saying in this forum (ie that this is MY testimonial and people should believe it!). But I know there are only too many of them out there that are purely to promote a product etc. I am not promoting anything other than good nutrition, supplements and belief in myself. I do believe in the other people I have met who have come down this path and are healthy and happy people. I am quite happy for you to place the burden of proof on me. I am still truly amazed I have come this far and have done what I have done through alternative means. Think I've said enough!

Trilby · 11-05-2006, 04:52 PM

Oh, we suspect you are well and congratulate you!, on your good health!

Now. Doesn't stress management require that you leave Well Enough Alone? Or, is your vitamin/supplement/peach-pit extract/poison-masquerading-as-legit-medicine company in trouble?

CaliforniaMama · 11-11-2006, 10:21 AM

Can I do a small hijack here and ask for some feedback?

One doc wants me to do a blood test for a cancer protein, but what I've read says that it comes up with too many false positives to be a valid screening method. There was only one little blip in an ultrasound that made my gyn want to test. Most of the time, my Primary is directly opposed to what my gyn wants, so I'm trying to prepare for the debate between professionals . . .

Pie · 11-11-2006, 10:32 AM

If there is a more precise test available (that is still non-invasive) get them to spring for that. No point beating about the bush.

11-11-2006, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaMama

Can I do a small hijack here and ask for some feedback?

One doc wants me to do a blood test for a cancer protein, but what I've read says that it comes up with too many false positives to be a valid screening method. There was only one little blip in an ultrasound that made my gyn want to test. Most of the time, my Primary is directly opposed to what my gyn wants, so I'm trying to prepare for the debate between professionals . . .

May I ask what sort of cancer they suspect? I had a recent cancer scare and could maybe give you the benefits of my experience depending on what it is they are concerned about.

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Originally Posted by Annoyedas

I actually hardly ever believe testimonials I read in books. That's contradicting what I have been saying in this forum (ie that this is MY testimonial and people should believe it!). But I know there are only too many of them out there that are purely to promote a product etc. I am not promoting anything other than good nutrition, supplements and belief in myself. I do believe in the other people I have met who have come down this path and are healthy and happy people. I am quite happy for you to place the burden of proof on me. I am still truly amazed I have come this far and have done what I have done through alternative means. Think I've said enough!

Good! Engineer was talking about good science such as double blind studies, not testimonials best suited for The Journal of Irreproducible Results.

Congratulations to you that you are feeling better and your doctor has written you off her list (I wonder if she has a low whacko tolerance. Hmmmm...)

At any rate, glad you're all better now and won't need to trouble us anymore.

Aliantha · 11-12-2006, 09:57 PM

Why can't they just biopsy the blimp?

9th Engineer · 11-16-2006, 08:58 AM

Because I imagine it would be hard to get the blimp into the OR, plus can you imagine the level of sedatives they'd need?

CaliforniaMama · 11-18-2006, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by marichiko

May I ask what sort of cancer they suspect?

Ovarian

08-22-2006, 08:56 PM	#16
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	annoyedsas, this isn't meant as a personal attack as such, but a blanket statement saying that medicines only treat the symtoms without treating the cause is entirely untrue. Nothing in your body happens that isn't the result of a chemical reaction, and 'natural remedies' either sell the same chemicals under a different name or do nothing and just wait for the body to recover on its own. The 'toxins' that so many snake-oil pedelers talk about and claim must be purged with their special all-natural treatment? Complete BS. Believe me on this, what goes on in your body is no more magical or mysterious then what happens under the hood of my car. The reason there are so many success stories with alternative medicine is because in the vast majority of cases your body will recover all on it's own, sticking a needle in your skin makes no difference one way or the other. Oh, please let me know what non-synthetic alternatives there are to chemotherapy, you'll just have to show how it works. __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

08-24-2006, 04:27 PM	#18
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	I looked up the threads you mentioned, strange I didn't see them before. You asked people what their background was several times so if it has any impact on your opinions of what I say I'm a second year bioengineering student with an added minor in neuroscience (your mention of two class 4 brain tumors definately caught my attention. This being said I am not what you would call a premed student, premeds just take their bio and chem courses and regurgitate facts onto their exams. We take a bit of a different approach and probably one you'll like a bit better if I guessed. I do not have one iota of loyalty to any sort of medical dogma, I want to know what works and far, far more importantly, why. That being said, both of my parents hold M.D.'s (father is an ER physician, mother is a family doc) so I've heard all the stories people tell their doctors and I have a healthy scepticism of home remedies. I place the burden of proof on you, but have an open ear for abnormalities. I read through your treatment regimen and I'd like to hear a bit more detail about the DHEA, Withania somnifera, and Astragalus membranaceus. I'm looking into the last two but I haven't gotten all the way through their sections on www.herbmed.org. I can tell you that the oils, antioxidents, Vit E, liver stimulent, and lemon juice(? Vit C ?) might be good for general health but are not producing the effects on the cancer. Oh, please stay away from testimonials as evidence. There are some basic clinical trials listed at the link I included and many more out there. Evidence must be clean. __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity. Last edited by 9th Engineer; 08-24-2006 at 05:43 PM.

11-05-2006, 04:52 PM	#20
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Oh, we suspect you are well and congratulate you!, on your good health! Now. Doesn't stress management require that you leave Well Enough Alone? Or, is your vitamin/supplement/peach-pit extract/poison-masquerading-as-legit-medicine company in trouble? __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

11-11-2006, 10:32 AM	#22
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	If there is a more precise test available (that is still non-invasive) get them to spring for that. No point beating about the bush. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

11-12-2006, 09:57 PM	#24
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Why can't they just biopsy the blimp? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-11-2006, 10:21 AM	#21
CaliforniaMama I wonder . . . Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Left Coast, a pretty good place to be. Posts: 1,278	Can I do a small hijack here and ask for some feedback? One doc wants me to do a blood test for a cancer protein, but what I've read says that it comes up with too many false positives to be a valid screening method. There was only one little blip in an ultrasound that made my gyn want to test. Most of the time, my Primary is directly opposed to what my gyn wants, so I'm trying to prepare for the debate between professionals . . .

11-16-2006, 08:58 AM	#25
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	Because I imagine it would be hard to get the blimp into the OR, plus can you imagine the level of sedatives they'd need? __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

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