Hezbollah night-vision gear manufactured in Britain

[tw]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

There are any number of remote sensor systems that can be used to target modern weapons, many of which do not involve ground spotters.

So Rush Limbaugh logic has returned. 'Saddam has WMDs only because he must' is logically acceptable again?

If these “any number of” targeting systems exist, then what are they? Where are they? What technology are they based on? Why does Rush Limbaugh logic routinely avoid such facts? Do these targeting systems exist in a fiction novel right next to Saddam’s WMDs?

How effective are these mythical targeting systems? Even bin Laden could not be found until six CIA agents, without orders, went into Tora Bora to find bin Laden and hundreds of armed supporters. Where was this “any number of” advanced targeting hardware? It required boots on the ground - ground spotters. Welcome back to reality.

Instead, MaggieL has now invented a targeting system that can find Hezbollah rockets. Then how did Hezbollah transport, setup, and fire so many rockets from so many locations? Apparently IDF waited for Hezbollah to fire those rockets – to first prove mal intent - before IDF attacked? Right. Even Rush is not so stupid as to make that claim.

This targeting system that MaggieL says exists: fiction. It could not find thousands of Hezbollah unused and transported rockets. Clearly Israelis were too moral to attack unused munitions.

What are these "any number of remote sensor systems"? Obviously they don't work until after a rocket is fired and after its launchers are long gone. Welcome back to reality that MaggieL knew and conveniently forgot to mention. Rush Limbaugh logic that also proved Saddam had WMDs does not prove “any number of remote sensor systems” either. MaggieL hopes we fail to expose her intentional fabrication. IDF planes were attacking indiscriminately – defined by an objective of their air force general – “consciousness”. Attack even innocent Lebanese and those victims will drive out Hezbollah? More fiction. It was indiscriminate attacks as MaggieL refuses to admit. So she invents these “any number of” targeting systems – too secret for Cellar Dweller to learn of. Also called Rush Limbaugh propaganda.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Spotters don't have to be on the ground for air attacks or artillery. They can be airborne, usually in propeller driven small planes, or helicopters.

The use of spy drones(UAVs) has been used extensively in Iraq. Spotting the target and filming the attack and the result, after the attacking planes have left.

I don't know what the IDF was using, just saying it is done.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Spotters don't have to be on the ground for air attacks or artillery. They can be airborne, usually in propeller driven small planes, or helicopters.

Airborne spotters were used - even in Vietnam. How effective? Spotters must be low, have limited spotting range when low, can only spot when targets are moving exposed, and must wait for air power to arrive. Target has sufficient time to hide, or to launch a rocket and disappear.

UAVs (drone) are another technology, expensive, few, and again effective when target is moving and exposed. Unlike low and slow airplanes, UAV are silent. But again must wait for those airplanes.

Why are ground spotters so necessary? Concealed, rockets can only be located by ground spotters. When being launched, airborne surveillance usually provides insufficient time to attack and remains 'too few'. History and reality that MaggieL quite well knew when she lied: airborne surveillance can rarely find and destroy a rocket.

Others did what MaggieL did not. They posted honestly with examples of how spotting could occur. But those solutions remained ineffective as in Vietnam, Tora Bora, and Iraq. In each case, airborne solutions could not obsolete a ground spotter. A long list of examples proves that point.

Airborne surveillance rarely provides sufficient time to locate and destroy a Hezbollah rocket launch. If the technology is so good, then why did six CIA agents do what all that airborne technology could not? Airborne surveillance does not find concealed munitions - as MaggieL well knew. The response after a rocket launch is also too late - as MaggieL also well knew. Slow response time was a problem in Vietnam making long range patrols necessary. It remains a problem in Iraq and Afghanistan as Anbar province and half of Afghanistan falls to adversaries. Why are Taliban even ten miles outside Kabul and yet not spotted by airborne surveillance? It was the problem with Scuds even when satellites and A-10s were concentrated only to find Scuds – and found none. Again, airborne solutions proved useless; requiring SAS - boots on the ground. The world's best airborne technology - America's - could not find bin Laden until six CIA agents arrived. World’s best airborne surveillance, when concentrated for war, still could not even find Saddam – ie Shock and Awe. Why? There is no replacement for ground spotters even for a nation with the best airborne solutions. MaggieL knew that.

Surveillance rarely found Hezbollah rockets until after launching. No problem. The objective was “consciousness”. Attack anyone in the area. Indiscriminate attacks were the objective. Make residents rise up and drive Hezbollah out. Where is the morality in Israel’s objective? MaggieL, who somehow knows Israel is always moral, instead denies Israel’s objective and must deny even bombing in Akkar. She was lying and she knew she was lying.

No sense lecturing MaggieL. She uses a political agenda to rationalize. This is a warning to others about what an extermist will do when their political bias is challenged.

(JSTARs find a Hezbollah rocket before launching? Guess again. That rocket looks just like a household appliance. But then you, MaggieL, knew that when posting to deceive.)

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by tw

Welcome back to reality that MaggieL knew and conveniently forgot to mention.

Ah, tw is lecturing us on "reality" again. Joy.

Current "reality" includes GPS, RPVs, and digital combat information systems. Moden CIS relay targeting information in realtime. Read up on things like J-STARS, for example, before you overstrain your military expertese, which has aparently not been updated since Vietnam. Perhaps you could divert some of the brain cells you currently use for name-calling and trolling for the purpose.