Seems somebody at the Miami Herald wants you dead - Page 11

Urbane Guerrilla · 11-01-2006, 07:05 PM

Ali, there is many a true word spoken in ... irony.

Aliantha · 11-01-2006, 07:12 PM

Oh UG...you must have misunderstood. I was taking the piss out of you and your comrades.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-02-2006, 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

My payment for a war in Iraq is...

Sure, but hardly worth mentioning some piddling little 4 Billion a month.

Hippikos · 11-02-2006, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Ali, there is many a true word spoken in ... irony.

Like in goldy or bronzy, but then made of iron?

WabUfvot5 · 11-03-2006, 04:31 AM

How come the people who are the staunchest defenders of guns are the ones I fear having guns the most?

Urbane Guerrilla · 11-03-2006, 05:15 PM

Jeb, I ain't shot you yet. And we live in the same state. Have for years. Hell, I was born in the Monterey area. WTF you scared of, ignorance boy? Seems there's too much you don't know. Do you truly know how to rightly handle a gun?

MaggieL · 11-03-2006, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jebediah

How come the people who are the staunchest defenders of guns are the ones I fear having guns the most?

Because hoplophobia literally means "fear of guns".

11-03-2006, 07:20 PM

Seriously.... I'm not a bad guy. When I was head of security people came to our club, we tripled in attendance, because I made sure no one was castled even when we had to carry them out. When people pushed me I always told them "yes...you can beat me up, I am sure of it. Let me buy you a beer and let's break this up instead of all these other bouncers carrying you out, ok?"
I don't like conflict or guns... as I stated earlier, I have not messed with mine in years. I think of them as a necessary evil... but necessary none the less.
I worry that my posts on this subject have been very prejudicial as far as how the Cellar views me.
It is truly the only thing that I am very conservative about. Though my definition of liberal and conservative are much older than today's. I do not think of a neo-con as a conservative. A conservative wants less government, taxes and believes in state's rights. I am very conservative in that sense... but very liberal when it comes to today's definition in a lot of ways. I believe pot should be legal, we should have state health care as well as private, Social Security and welfare should not be attached in any way (if you did not pay into it you don't get any).... bla, bla, bla... hell, some things sound very conservative like my fiscal side and others make me very liberal. I think the National Forests should NEVER be touched other than prescribed burns... pristine woodland, period. If you pollute, you pay for ALL of it to be cleaned-up, period.
But, at the same time, as long as you are not harming your neighbor or the environment... your home is your castle and ALL the Bill of Rights must be protected at all costs.
Illegal search and seizure, warrantless searches and that type of thing are grounds for revolution IMO, real action to let those in power know that it will NEVER be tolerated.
Freedom of speech and the press is/should be actual and pure.
Religion and the State should NEVER have ANYTHING to do with each other under ANY circumstances.
So when people ask me if I am "liberal" or "conservative"... I just don't know.

Urbane Guerrilla · 11-03-2006, 08:29 PM

Mhm. Hmmm. Thoughtful, anyway. I've long figured you for having your head screwed on nose to the front.

theirontower · 11-03-2006, 08:37 PM

Werent there some studies done in the 70s or 80s by KGB or some other Russian organization stating that while they felt they could handle the US military if they wanted to attack America, the population was to well armed to hold the territory they could take?

I don't know if having a gun or not having a gun makes a difference when it comes to crime, Ive never been a criminal or the victim of a violent or gun based crime myself. But from a criminals perspective wouldn't the throught process between "Should I" and "I will" be a bit longer and more involved if the threat of return violence is immediate?

IE if as a criminal I was looking for a place to setup shop for say, burglery, would I consider a place like Texas where its more likely Ill run into an armed citizen willing to fight, or would I rather go somewhere its not as likely? Just the fact that they would have to walk that line of thought through would hopefully persaude a few of them its not worth it.

One thing I noticed in the thread, just as an FYI, as a national champion debater, when your opponent sinks to verbal attacks and name calling, you've won. Most people with any brain will stop paying attention to someone who stoops to that, so beware your own arrogance. Be open the to the thought process's and idea's of others.

" The arousing of prejudice, pity, anger, and similar emotions has nothing to do with the essential facts, but is merely a personal appeal to the man who is judging the case. Consequently if the rules for trials which are now laid down some states-especially in well-governed states-were applied everywhere, such people would have nothing to say. All men, no doubt, think that the laws should prescribe such rules, but some, as in the court of Areopagus, give practical effect to their thoughts and forbid talk about non-essentials. This is sound law and custom. It is not right to pervert the judge by moving him to anger or envy or pity-one might as well warp a carpenter's rule before using it." Aristotle's Rhetoric

How about some reference to Logical Fallacies, which abound in this thread.

Steve

theirontower · 11-03-2006, 08:41 PM

"Most of our energy goes into upholding our importance...

If we were capable of losing some of that importance, two extraordinary things would happen to us. One, we would free our energy from trying to maintain the illusory idea of our grandeur; and two, we would provide ourselves with enough energy to...catch a glimpse of the actual grandeur of the universe." Carlos Castaneda

--to me this is the answer to the koan about a tree falling in the woods with no one around. The sheer arrogance of the question points to the answer--

"Self-righteous morality is jealousy with a halo" HG Wells

"Self righteousness is a mask for hypocrisy and self importance." Carlos Castaneda

xoxoxoBruce · 11-03-2006, 08:43 PM

[Threadjack]

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

snip~ I think the National Forests should NEVER be touched other than prescribed burns... pristine woodland, period.

You're confusing National Forests with National Parks. One of the basic tenets of National Forests is to provide controlled timber harvesting for a steady reliable lumber supply.[Threadjack]

11-03-2006, 08:49 PM

You are right, Parks. Though some of the old growth and breeding areas for endangered species in the National Forests should be off limits.
We are equally, but never more, important than the environment.

WabUfvot5 · 11-03-2006, 09:34 PM

Woah woah woah. Who said I was afraid of guns? I'm afraid of touchy idiots having guns and very troubled (not for my own safety however) about some here who see guns as a balm to any affliction.

Would you believe I'm actually a firm believer in the 2nd amendment? There is a vast gap between gun nuts and responsible gun owners. The difference between these types shines through, even online.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-03-2006, 09:57 PM

But, but, there's no problem that can't be solved with the judicious application of high explosives.

11-01-2006, 07:05 PM	#151
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Ali, there is many a true word spoken in ... irony. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

11-01-2006, 07:12 PM	#152
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Oh UG...you must have misunderstood. I was taking the piss out of you and your comrades. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-03-2006, 05:15 PM	#156
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Jeb, I ain't shot you yet. And we live in the same state. Have for years. Hell, I was born in the Monterey area. WTF you scared of, ignorance boy? Seems there's too much you don't know. Do you truly know how to rightly handle a gun? __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

11-03-2006, 07:20 PM	#158
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Seriously.... I'm not a bad guy. When I was head of security people came to our club, we tripled in attendance, because I made sure no one was castled even when we had to carry them out. When people pushed me I always told them "yes...you can beat me up, I am sure of it. Let me buy you a beer and let's break this up instead of all these other bouncers carrying you out, ok?" I don't like conflict or guns... as I stated earlier, I have not messed with mine in years. I think of them as a necessary evil... but necessary none the less. I worry that my posts on this subject have been very prejudicial as far as how the Cellar views me. It is truly the only thing that I am very conservative about. Though my definition of liberal and conservative are much older than today's. I do not think of a neo-con as a conservative. A conservative wants less government, taxes and believes in state's rights. I am very conservative in that sense... but very liberal when it comes to today's definition in a lot of ways. I believe pot should be legal, we should have state health care as well as private, Social Security and welfare should not be attached in any way (if you did not pay into it you don't get any).... bla, bla, bla... hell, some things sound very conservative like my fiscal side and others make me very liberal. I think the National Forests should NEVER be touched other than prescribed burns... pristine woodland, period. If you pollute, you pay for ALL of it to be cleaned-up, period. But, at the same time, as long as you are not harming your neighbor or the environment... your home is your castle and ALL the Bill of Rights must be protected at all costs. Illegal search and seizure, warrantless searches and that type of thing are grounds for revolution IMO, real action to let those in power know that it will NEVER be tolerated. Freedom of speech and the press is/should be actual and pure. Religion and the State should NEVER have ANYTHING to do with each other under ANY circumstances. So when people ask me if I am "liberal" or "conservative"... I just don't know. Last edited by rkzenrage; 11-03-2006 at 07:24 PM.

11-03-2006, 08:29 PM	#159
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Mhm. Hmmm. Thoughtful, anyway. I've long figured you for having your head screwed on nose to the front. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

11-03-2006, 04:31 AM	#155
WabUfvot5 Operations Operative Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 634	How come the people who are the staunchest defenders of guns are the ones I fear having guns the most?

11-03-2006, 08:37 PM	#160
theirontower Fellow-Commoner Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 10	Werent there some studies done in the 70s or 80s by KGB or some other Russian organization stating that while they felt they could handle the US military if they wanted to attack America, the population was to well armed to hold the territory they could take? I don't know if having a gun or not having a gun makes a difference when it comes to crime, Ive never been a criminal or the victim of a violent or gun based crime myself. But from a criminals perspective wouldn't the throught process between "Should I" and "I will" be a bit longer and more involved if the threat of return violence is immediate? IE if as a criminal I was looking for a place to setup shop for say, burglery, would I consider a place like Texas where its more likely Ill run into an armed citizen willing to fight, or would I rather go somewhere its not as likely? Just the fact that they would have to walk that line of thought through would hopefully persaude a few of them its not worth it. One thing I noticed in the thread, just as an FYI, as a national champion debater, when your opponent sinks to verbal attacks and name calling, you've won. Most people with any brain will stop paying attention to someone who stoops to that, so beware your own arrogance. Be open the to the thought process's and idea's of others. " The arousing of prejudice, pity, anger, and similar emotions has nothing to do with the essential facts, but is merely a personal appeal to the man who is judging the case. Consequently if the rules for trials which are now laid down some states-especially in well-governed states-were applied everywhere, such people would have nothing to say. All men, no doubt, think that the laws should prescribe such rules, but some, as in the court of Areopagus, give practical effect to their thoughts and forbid talk about non-essentials. This is sound law and custom. It is not right to pervert the judge by moving him to anger or envy or pity-one might as well warp a carpenter's rule before using it." Aristotle's Rhetoric How about some reference to Logical Fallacies, which abound in this thread. Steve

11-03-2006, 08:41 PM	#161
theirontower Fellow-Commoner Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 10	"Most of our energy goes into upholding our importance... If we were capable of losing some of that importance, two extraordinary things would happen to us. One, we would free our energy from trying to maintain the illusory idea of our grandeur; and two, we would provide ourselves with enough energy to...catch a glimpse of the actual grandeur of the universe." Carlos Castaneda --to me this is the answer to the koan about a tree falling in the woods with no one around. The sheer arrogance of the question points to the answer-- "Self-righteous morality is jealousy with a halo" HG Wells "Self righteousness is a mask for hypocrisy and self importance." Carlos Castaneda

11-03-2006, 08:49 PM	#163
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	You are right, Parks. Though some of the old growth and breeding areas for endangered species in the National Forests should be off limits. We are equally, but never more, important than the environment.

11-03-2006, 09:34 PM	#164
WabUfvot5 Operations Operative Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 634	Woah woah woah. Who said I was afraid of guns? I'm afraid of touchy idiots having guns and very troubled (not for my own safety however) about some here who see guns as a balm to any affliction. Would you believe I'm actually a firm believer in the 2nd amendment? There is a vast gap between gun nuts and responsible gun owners. The difference between these types shines through, even online.

11-03-2006, 09:57 PM	#165
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	But, but, there's no problem that can't be solved with the judicious application of high explosives. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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