January 22, 2007: Cambodian jungle woman

lumberjim · 01-22-2007, 12:04 PM

The assumption is, then, that this is HER family she is now residing with?

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she can only communicate through a series of grunts.

there's a joke in there, but I can't decide whether to go with the Marine(grunt) angle, the perfect woman angle, or the 'that sounds like me after a night of drinking' angle.

Sheldonrs · 01-22-2007, 12:10 PM

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monster · 01-22-2007, 12:14 PM

If she was 8 when she went missing, she should not have forgotten her language unless there has been some serious brain injury

bigw00dy · 01-22-2007, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by monster

If she was 8 when she went missing, she should not have forgotten her language unless there has been some serious brain injury

I would assume that since she had no one to speak her language to, it would eventually loose its 'bookmark' in her brain. If that makes any sense?

One other note, I wonder if they cut her hair since her return. I would think that after nearly 20 years, even my hair would be longer than her hair is!

monster · 01-22-2007, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bigw00dy

I would assume that since she had no one to speak her language to, it would eventually loose its 'bookmark' in her brain. If that makes any sense?

One other note, I wonder if they cut her hair since her return. I would think that after nearly 20 years, even my hair would be longer than her hair is!

You use language when you think, though, so it's not something you lose with time unless you just stop thinking. Many people who move to a country where a different language is spoken report that at some point they changed the language they thought in, but I find it unlikely that she picked up some animal language to the extent that she thought in it and lost her native tongue.

If she is the long lost daughter, she must either be too traumatized to speak or her vocal chords need "re-training" to make the correct sounds, but in either case she should still understand what is spoken to her.

Regarding the hair, everyone has a natural maximum hair length. For many people this is longer than they are comfortable with, so they never find out how long it will get. Bur mine, for example, only just reaches my shoulders at it's maximum length. Each hair only stays in your head for a certain length of time, then it falls out and (unless you're Elspode) is replaced. If your hair is slow-growing, it doesn't get to be very long before it falls out.

Sheldonrs · 01-22-2007, 03:24 PM

Doubts grow over identity of Cambodia's "jungle woman"

Jan 22 2:44 PM US/Eastern

She sits for hours at a time, staring at the floor or at the throngs of villagers that have mobbed this small shack, her unsmiling face betraying nothing other than occasional fear flashing in her eyes.
Amid growing doubts over the identity of this silent woman who mysteriously emerged from the jungles of northeastern Cambodia, the family caring for her insists she is their daughter Rochom P'ngieng, who disappeared 19 years ago while guarding a water buffalo.

"I dare anyone to wager 10,000 dollars if they think she is not my daughter," challenged Sal Lou, a policeman in this isolated village who said he immediately recognized his child by an old scar when she was brought naked and dirty from the jungle 10 days ago.

The woman was caught nearby as she tried to steal food from a farmer, hunched over like a monkey and scavenging the ground for pieces of dried rice in the forests of Ratanakkiri province, some 600 kilometers (400 miles) northeast of the capital Phnom Penh.

Since being taken to Oyadao, the woman has tried three times to escape back into the jungle, tearing at the dirty white blouse and patterned skirt her would-be parents dressed her in.

"Over the weekend she acted crazy -- she was scared of the crowds and the journalists trying to take pictures of her," said Rochom Ly, 27-year-old Rochom P'ngieng's younger brother.

Since then, the woman appears to have become more settled under the glare of curious villagers and foreign journalists who have made her an international story.

Scores of people have come to watch her, milling around Sal Lou's ramshackle house, staring silently at the woman as she sleeps, sits squatting against the wall or is spoon-fed by Sal Lou's wife, Rochom Soy.

Many have begun to question Sal Lou's story. How, they ask, could a woman from the jungle have such smooth hands or soft feet. If she had been truly wild, why are her fingernails neatly trimmed and her hair not a matted tangle, they say.

Mysterious scars around her wrist appear to be the result of being bound for long periods of time, further adding to the questions many have over the woman's past.

"I am doubtful that she went missing 19 years ago. I came here to see what she looked like, and she looks normal like us," said Dub Thol, who traveled from a neighbouring district to see the woman.

The woman has offered up no clues as to how she spent the past nearly two decades -- uttering unintelligible grunts or gurgles and communicating only her most basic needs with simple gestures.

Sal Lou told AFP that despite not speaking, she has begun to understand his own hill tribe language of Phnong.

"When we talk to her she understands, but she cannot reply to us. This is because she has forgotten the language, she has not spoken it for a long time," he said.

"She follows what we tell her to do. When we tell her to sit, she sits. When we tell her to sleep, she sleeps and when we tell her to stand up, she stands up.

"So, sooner or later, she will know how to speak. From day to day, she has begun to understand."

Sal Lou said he wanted the woman to be taken to Phnom Penh for medical treatment and appealed for funds to do so.

The jungles of Ratanakkiri -- some of the most isolated and wild in Cambodia -- are known to have held hidden groups of hill tribes in the recent past.

In November 2004, 34 people from four hill tribe families emerged from the dense forest where they had fled in 1979 after the fall of the genocidal Khmer Rouge regime, which they supported.

They had lived in the jungle in total isolation for a quarter of a century, limiting speech for fear of detection and moving at any sight of an unfamiliar footprint or a freshly-cut tree.

Happy Monkey · 01-22-2007, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by monster

If she was 8 when she went missing, she should not have forgotten her language unless there has been some serious brain injury

I'd guess she could have forgotten it, but she's in a much better situation than someone who went feral at a younger age. She's probably got the brain structure built up to relearn/remember it, at least.

(Of course my qualification to make this diagnosis is one self-paced psychology course at least ten years ago...)

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01-22-2007, 03:24 PM	#6
Sheldonrs Master Dwellar Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,412	Doubts grow over identity of Cambodia's "jungle woman" Jan 22 2:44 PM US/Eastern She sits for hours at a time, staring at the floor or at the throngs of villagers that have mobbed this small shack, her unsmiling face betraying nothing other than occasional fear flashing in her eyes. Amid growing doubts over the identity of this silent woman who mysteriously emerged from the jungles of northeastern Cambodia, the family caring for her insists she is their daughter Rochom P'ngieng, who disappeared 19 years ago while guarding a water buffalo. "I dare anyone to wager 10,000 dollars if they think she is not my daughter," challenged Sal Lou, a policeman in this isolated village who said he immediately recognized his child by an old scar when she was brought naked and dirty from the jungle 10 days ago. The woman was caught nearby as she tried to steal food from a farmer, hunched over like a monkey and scavenging the ground for pieces of dried rice in the forests of Ratanakkiri province, some 600 kilometers (400 miles) northeast of the capital Phnom Penh. Since being taken to Oyadao, the woman has tried three times to escape back into the jungle, tearing at the dirty white blouse and patterned skirt her would-be parents dressed her in. "Over the weekend she acted crazy -- she was scared of the crowds and the journalists trying to take pictures of her," said Rochom Ly, 27-year-old Rochom P'ngieng's younger brother. Since then, the woman appears to have become more settled under the glare of curious villagers and foreign journalists who have made her an international story. Scores of people have come to watch her, milling around Sal Lou's ramshackle house, staring silently at the woman as she sleeps, sits squatting against the wall or is spoon-fed by Sal Lou's wife, Rochom Soy. Many have begun to question Sal Lou's story. How, they ask, could a woman from the jungle have such smooth hands or soft feet. If she had been truly wild, why are her fingernails neatly trimmed and her hair not a matted tangle, they say. Mysterious scars around her wrist appear to be the result of being bound for long periods of time, further adding to the questions many have over the woman's past. "I am doubtful that she went missing 19 years ago. I came here to see what she looked like, and she looks normal like us," said Dub Thol, who traveled from a neighbouring district to see the woman. The woman has offered up no clues as to how she spent the past nearly two decades -- uttering unintelligible grunts or gurgles and communicating only her most basic needs with simple gestures. Sal Lou told AFP that despite not speaking, she has begun to understand his own hill tribe language of Phnong. "When we talk to her she understands, but she cannot reply to us. This is because she has forgotten the language, she has not spoken it for a long time," he said. "She follows what we tell her to do. When we tell her to sit, she sits. When we tell her to sleep, she sleeps and when we tell her to stand up, she stands up. "So, sooner or later, she will know how to speak. From day to day, she has begun to understand." Sal Lou said he wanted the woman to be taken to Phnom Penh for medical treatment and appealed for funds to do so. The jungles of Ratanakkiri -- some of the most isolated and wild in Cambodia -- are known to have held hidden groups of hill tribes in the recent past. In November 2004, 34 people from four hill tribe families emerged from the dense forest where they had fled in 1979 after the fall of the genocidal Khmer Rouge regime, which they supported. They had lived in the jungle in total isolation for a quarter of a century, limiting speech for fear of detection and moving at any sight of an unfamiliar footprint or a freshly-cut tree. __________________ Laugh and the world laughs with you; cry and the world laughs AT you.

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