So... were we just going to avoid this one forever?

Ibby · 03-08-2007, 10:49 PM

Walter Reed? What? I've never heard of Walter Reed! Nothing to see here, move along!

Aliantha · 03-08-2007, 10:50 PM

Have you been on the pipe Ibram?

Happy Monkey · 03-08-2007, 11:03 PM

I worked there one summer. Not in the hospital part, though, so I can't speak to the controversy.

bluecuracao · 03-08-2007, 11:53 PM

My favorite doctor ever left his private practice to go work there, so I know they have at least one great doc.

Sundae · 03-09-2007, 03:45 AM

I could Google this. But I'd rather hear the Cellar's take on it. Someone take pity on an ignoramus and explain please?

Griff · 03-09-2007, 06:20 AM

Two Washington Post reporters broke a story showing that the wounded soldiers who are being treated as out patients are being warehoused under horrific conditions. Rodents, rot, and mold are just three ways we say, "Thank you for your service." Complaints to the Army and to individual congresscritters were largely ignored until the spotlight shone on the situation.

The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them.TJ

This all fits into the story of Bush Administration's attempted cost cutting during war-time and their over-all state of denial about the true cost of their war of choice. Meanwhile private individuals have funded the Center for the Intrepid among other facilities to serve the fallen.

Sundae · 03-09-2007, 06:26 AM

Thank you kindly - I will do some background reading now.

Slightly OT, but I assume your quote is Thomas Jefferson. One of my heroes for the record, but he never encountered British tabloids. One of my main gripes with government today is that they are so sadly dependent on the media. If that had been the case at the start of the last century I doubt women would ever have got the vote (1918)

glatt · 03-09-2007, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff

Two Washington Post reporters broke a story...

This is why the newspapers are still the best source of news on the planet and its a tragedy that they are slowly dying as the next generation doesn't subscribe and classified ad revenue disappears almost completely to Craigslist.

Spexxvet · 03-09-2007, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Griff

...This all fits into the story of Bush Administration's attempted cost cutting during war-time and their over-all state of denial about the true cost of their war of choice. Meanwhile private individuals have funded the Center for the Intrepid among other facilities to serve the fallen.

Not to mention their "Democrats don't support the troops" hypocricy.

Spexxvet · 03-09-2007, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

Walter Reed? What? I've never heard of Walter Reed! Nothing to see here, move along!

Thank you for making me feel invisible.

http://cellar.org/showthread.php?p=320129#post320129

Griff · 03-09-2007, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Thank you for making me feel invisible.

http://cellar.org/showthread.php?p=320129#post320129

He missed a bunch of commentary not just yours...

xoxoxoBruce · 03-09-2007, 09:00 AM

In fairness some of the patients were being treated as out patients, but being far from home they were allow to stay in some of the buildings that were scheduled to be eliminated. These buildings were not in good repair.

But.... but, but, but, the thing that makes me want to physically punish the administrators...severly, is the bureaucratic bullshit.
Treat a patient and leave him hanging on the results of tests, and no further appointments even though treatment will obviously be needed. And when he inquires they have no record of him or why he's there. Of course this is after making him fill out a stack of forms that threaten our forest reserves, often twice.
This is inexcusable, treating a wounded soldier this way. But, the fact that this happens to dozens of soldiers every day, is nothing short of criminal. Those bastards should be court marshaled. I'm serious, criminal malfeasance, treasonable dereliction of duty in war time. Leavenworth.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-09-2007, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Thank you for making me feel invisible.

http://cellar.org/showthread.php?p=320129#post320129

You're being punished for not answering my question. :p
http://cellar.org/showpost.php?p=320125&postcount=8

busterb · 03-09-2007, 10:07 AM

I know first hand what the clowns at VA do. Just one of the last f!@#ups. Was suppose to have a Barium? enema 2 months ago. 3 phone call from them, 3 different directions for pre test. So they wouldn't do it. Next round I asked about 10 different people for written directions. My DR. sent them on 2/07/07 they were printed on the 27th, day of new test. I received them the 3/3/07. I got to pay for meds twice, extra trip to VA and it was all my fault for not following directions. bb
64

BigV · 03-09-2007, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

In fairness some of the patients were being treated as out patients, but being far from home they were allow to stay in some of the buildings that were scheduled to be eliminated. These buildings were not in good repair.

But.... but, but, but, the thing that makes me want to physically punish the administrators...severly, is the bureaucratic bullshit.
Treat a patient and leave him hanging on the results of tests, and no further appointments even though treatment will obviously be needed. And when he inquires they have no record of him or why he's there. Of course this is after making him fill out a stack of forms that threaten our forest reserves, often twice.
This is inexcusable, treating a wounded soldier this way. But, the fact that this happens to dozens of soldiers every day, is nothing short of criminal. Those bastards should be court marshaled. I'm serious, criminal malfeasance, treasonable dereliction of duty in war time. Leavenworth.

Ahem... waitaminit. Buildings scheduled to be demolished? From the BRAC decision? Or, already condemned buildings? Really, it's a trick question. There is NO EXCUSE!

If it's a live working building, but has accumulated deferred maintenance, fine. But if you (not you xob, the numbnuts fuckwit that assigned that housing) designate it as valid housing, then you damn well better make sure it's in good working order. If it was really condemned or "scheduled for demolition" then it's not appropriate to designate it as shelter, dammit.

This is textbook FUBAR by bureaucracy. Makes me want to hang my head in shame. And I find a certain schadenfreud from the hypocrisy of the "Support the Troops" dittoheads. Fuckers.

indeed.

03-08-2007, 10:49 PM	#1
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03-08-2007, 11:03 PM	#3
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03-09-2007, 03:45 AM	#5
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	I could Google this. But I'd rather hear the Cellar's take on it. Someone take pity on an ignoramus and explain please? __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

03-09-2007, 06:20 AM	#6
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Two Washington Post reporters broke a story showing that the wounded soldiers who are being treated as out patients are being warehoused under horrific conditions. Rodents, rot, and mold are just three ways we say, "Thank you for your service." Complaints to the Army and to individual congresscritters were largely ignored until the spotlight shone on the situation. The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them.TJ This all fits into the story of Bush Administration's attempted cost cutting during war-time and their over-all state of denial about the true cost of their war of choice. Meanwhile private individuals have funded the Center for the Intrepid among other facilities to serve the fallen. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

03-08-2007, 11:53 PM	#4
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	My favorite doctor ever left his private practice to go work there, so I know they have at least one great doc.

03-09-2007, 06:26 AM	#7
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Thank you kindly - I will do some background reading now. Slightly OT, but I assume your quote is Thomas Jefferson. One of my heroes for the record, but he never encountered British tabloids. One of my main gripes with government today is that they are so sadly dependent on the media. If that had been the case at the start of the last century I doubt women would ever have got the vote (1918) __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

03-09-2007, 09:00 AM	#12
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	In fairness some of the patients were being treated as out patients, but being far from home they were allow to stay in some of the buildings that were scheduled to be eliminated. These buildings were not in good repair. But.... but, but, but, the thing that makes me want to physically punish the administrators...severly, is the bureaucratic bullshit. Treat a patient and leave him hanging on the results of tests, and no further appointments even though treatment will obviously be needed. And when he inquires they have no record of him or why he's there. Of course this is after making him fill out a stack of forms that threaten our forest reserves, often twice. This is inexcusable, treating a wounded soldier this way. But, the fact that this happens to dozens of soldiers every day, is nothing short of criminal. Those bastards should be court marshaled. I'm serious, criminal malfeasance, treasonable dereliction of duty in war time. Leavenworth. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-09-2007, 10:07 AM	#14
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	I know first hand what the clowns at VA do. Just one of the last f!@#ups. Was suppose to have a Barium? enema 2 months ago. 3 phone call from them, 3 different directions for pre test. So they wouldn't do it. Next round I asked about 10 different people for written directions. My DR. sent them on 2/07/07 they were printed on the 27th, day of new test. I received them the 3/3/07. I got to pay for meds twice, extra trip to VA and it was all my fault for not following directions. bb 64 __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

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