A Town Willing To Enforce The Law - Page 4

Toymented · 03-15-2007, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Yes, it would save over a million dollars (or billion, I forget which one) a year for the UN and it will make discussions a lot easier to understand and we won't misinterpret each other. It will make things go a lot smoother even if we choose not to look from their viewpoints.

The language would also be good for civilians too. I won't have to worry about learning a native language if I travel when I can just speak an international language. We are already connected as a planet, we should have an international language as well.

I'm certain God would not allow it. Genesis 11:7-9.

Ibby · 03-15-2007, 09:17 PM

...So would he hurl thunderbolts or send floods to stop us?

piercehawkeye45 · 03-15-2007, 09:17 PM

Sorry I forgot, God wants war and disagreements.

Toymented · 03-15-2007, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Sorry I forgot, God wants war and disagreements.

Can you think of any earthly interests that would like that, as well?

piercehawkeye45 · 03-15-2007, 11:17 PM

Neocons?

03-15-2007, 11:49 PM

A Nazi in conservatives clothing.

richlevy · 03-17-2007, 11:35 AM

I don't think requiring people who want to rent to register with the government is a 'conservative' idea.

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Prior to the injunction, municipal workers set up an office on the third floor of City Hall from which they planned to issue occupancy permits required under the landlord tenant act.
To obtain a permit, renters were to pay $10 and submit identification such as a U.S. Passport or birth certificate to prove that they are United States citizens. Non-citizens were to show resident cards proving that they are in the country legally.

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If residents move to a new rental dwelling, they are to obtain a new permit.

A city is certainly within it's rights from a public safety perspective to have property owners register their properties as rentals, so that fire safety inspection, etc, can be performed. But forcing renters to register possibly violates the commerce clause, depending on how loosely you want to define it, as well as interfering with individuals attempts to procure a basic need such as housing. It's almost like requiring a permit to buy food or medicine.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-17-2007, 03:47 PM

What commerce clause, Rich?

richlevy · 03-17-2007, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

What commerce clause, Rich?

Commerce clause of the Constitution. Forcing people to register with the government in order to rent housing would interfere in the 'channel of commerce'.

Other challenges would be the 14th, the 4th, and the 9th.

The city is forcing individuals to register and pay a fee in order to prove their citizenship in order to rent housing. If it doesn't request the same of individuals buying property, it fails the equal protection test. Since individuals are being forced to prove their citizenship, in effect proving their innocence, it fails a due process test and possibly constitutes an unreasonable search.

I'm not a lawyer. I'm just guessing on what grounds it will be challenged.

Read the use of 'penumbras' in Griswold vs. Conn.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-18-2007, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by richlevy

Commerce clause of the Constitution.

OH, interstate commerce.

TheMercenary · 03-22-2007, 04:19 AM

Send them all home or lock them up in camps until they apply for a guest worker program (which we don't have yet). It is not fair to all the other legal immigrants who went through the process, which often takes years, and did it the right way. We are paying out the ass for these people while they send home the majority of what they earn. This problem needs to be fixed asap.

piercehawkeye45 · 03-22-2007, 12:51 PM

That would solve anything but just cause more problems. They will know that we going to come after them and then resort to an exile status life of crime. If we do not accept them they will turn against us instead of working with us.

Of course it isn't fair for the legal immigrants but life isn't fair and this is one of the problems that you have to make moral sacrifice for the greater good.

elSicomoro · 03-22-2007, 01:14 PM

Citizens/government 2, Valley Park 0

Griff · 03-22-2007, 03:36 PM

I still don't get so-called small government conservatives burdening landlords like this.

elSicomoro · 03-22-2007, 03:43 PM

Actually, the mayor is a Democrat, and I would suspect that most of the aldermen are as well. There are a lot of Dems in St. Louis that hate Republicans and their general agenda, but don't like minorities. I don't know what you'd call them, other than "fucked up."

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Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	...So would he hurl thunderbolts or send floods to stop us? __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

03-17-2007, 03:47 PM	#53
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	What commerce clause, Rich? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-22-2007, 03:36 PM	#59
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	I still don't get so-called small government conservatives burdening landlords like this. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

03-15-2007, 09:17 PM	#48
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Sorry I forgot, God wants war and disagreements.

03-15-2007, 11:17 PM	#50
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Neocons?

03-15-2007, 11:49 PM	#51
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	A Nazi in conservatives clothing.

03-22-2007, 04:19 AM	#56
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Send them all home or lock them up in camps until they apply for a guest worker program (which we don't have yet). It is not fair to all the other legal immigrants who went through the process, which often takes years, and did it the right way. We are paying out the ass for these people while they send home the majority of what they earn. This problem needs to be fixed asap.

03-22-2007, 12:51 PM	#57
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	That would solve anything but just cause more problems. They will know that we going to come after them and then resort to an exile status life of crime. If we do not accept them they will turn against us instead of working with us. Of course it isn't fair for the legal immigrants but life isn't fair and this is one of the problems that you have to make moral sacrifice for the greater good.

03-22-2007, 01:14 PM	#58
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Citizens/government 2, Valley Park 0

03-22-2007, 03:43 PM	#60
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Actually, the mayor is a Democrat, and I would suspect that most of the aldermen are as well. There are a lot of Dems in St. Louis that hate Republicans and their general agenda, but don't like minorities. I don't know what you'd call them, other than "fucked up."

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