Ron Paul announces

[Griff]

He is awesome, but he challenges so many assumtions that no interviewer takes him seriously.

[Undertoad]

Dr. Paul is not a man of the Constitution, and not a man of Principle.

Unfortunately, H.R. 760 takes a different approach, one that is not only constitutionally flawed, but flawed in principle, as well. Though I will vote [for it],...

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul98.html

[Griff]

Nobody's perfect. This wouldn't be my one issue to throw him under the bus over, but I know there are folks who vote this almost exclusively and get a lot of other nonsense in the bargain.

[Undertoad]

Ah. Thought I had you pegged as a Constitutionalist!

[Griff]

Smart ass!

How about a pragmatic anarchist? Working toward that goal in a peaceful law abiding manner? Or maybe I'm a goobermint minimalist... or a nut jobberist. I forget lately. Constitutionalist to the extent that it shrinks gov... so yes he is hosing me on this issue.

[xoxoxoBruce]

What's his problem? Everyone knows women and children are personal property and none of the gubmints business.














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[Griff]

Nice interview of Paul on Tucker's show. Good interaction on the national id at the end.

[Happy Monkey]

More on Paul

[xoxoxoBruce]

Orcinus damns Paul as racist, for not being politically correct and making everyone responsible for their actions.

[piercehawkeye45]

http://www.chron.com/content/chronic...5/23/paul.html

Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action

Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal

we are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers

We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such

How is this not racism?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Except for the obvious exageration in the second quote, what's racist about the truth?

[Clodfobble]

In the fourth quote, race is completely unrelated to the point he (Ron Paul) is trying to make. You could substitute "white" and it would be just as true.

[piercehawkeye45]

The first poll says blacks are stupid. First, he is basing this on the "if you don't agree with me you are stupid" argument, which is a horrible argument, and then says that 95% of blacks are stupid, which is completely untrue. So 95% of black people don’t agree with him, how does that make them stupid?

In the third quote he is saying that we should be afraid of all black men because of something that the minority of black men do. That is stupid and untrue. You can’t stereotype a whole population for something that 10-20% of a population does.

In the fourth quote, race is completely unrelated to the point he (Ron Paul) is trying to make. You could substitute "white" and it would be just as true.

He is saying that only 13 year old black children should be labeled as adults, not anyone from any other race. If that isn't discrimination, I don't know what is.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

The first poll says blacks are stupid. First, he is basing this on the "if you don't agree with me you are stupid" argument, which is a horrible argument, and then says that 95% of blacks are stupid, which is completely untrue. So 95% of black people don’t agree with him, how does that make them stupid?

He didn't say anyone was stupid. You're the only one using that word. You're blasting him for what you think he said, which is not what he actually said.
He said, "sensible political opinions" and in reality, I doubt you'd find 5% that would support elimination of welfare and affirmative action.
He's probably remarked about how other demographics feel about his position, but of course this article has only cherry picked quotes to build their case.

In the third quote he is saying that we should be afraid of all black men because of something that the minority of black men do. That is stupid and untrue. You can’t stereotype a whole population for something that 10-20% of a population does.

The Justice Department's crime stats say you're wrong. I linked to them in the discussion about no black women were raped by white men.

He is saying that only 13 year old black children should be labeled as adults, not anyone from any other race. If that isn't discrimination, I don't know what is.

Once again you're criticizing what he didn't say. He said, "black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs". As Clodfobble pointed out that could also apply to other races and probably the Hispanics in that situation outnumber the Blacks now. Insensitive, not PC, perhaps... but that doesn't make him racist.
I'm betting you have yet to confront one of these little bastards... believe me, they are scary.

But not to worry...

Paul wrote, "By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism.

which knocks him out of contention.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

He didn't say anyone was stupid. You're the only one using that word. You're blasting him for what you think he said, which is not what he actually said.
He said, "sensible political opinions" and in reality, I doubt you'd find 5% that would support elimination of welfare and affirmative action.
He's probably remarked about how other demographics feel about his position, but of course this article has only cherry picked quotes to build their case.

You don't have to say something to imply it. Saying only 5% of blacks have sensible positions is implying that they have insensible positions, which is negative and leads to stupidity. Free market, end of welfare, ect, are not sensible or insensible positions, they are opinions. Many blacks will support welfare, etc because it helps them, not because it is the best for Ron Paul.

The Justice Department's crime stats say you're wrong. I linked to them in the discussion about no black women were raped by white men.

That only 10-20% has committed violent crimes as rape, murder, etc? And when did this have to do with black women and white men? Ron Paul said we should be scared of black people because they are disproportionably violent compared to whites. You still can't label the black population as a whole because of some criminals. Just like you can't say we should be scared of Muslims because some are committing terrorist attacks or think all whites are greedy because of white-collared crime.

Once again you're criticizing what he didn't say. He said, "black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs". As Clodfobble pointed out that could also apply to other races and probably the Hispanics in that situation outnumber the Blacks now. Insensitive, not PC, perhaps... but that doesn't make him racist.

Yes, then why just say blacks?

I'm betting you have yet to confront one of these little bastards... believe me, they are scary.

They seem scarier than whites or Hispanics of the same size, intentions, etc because of the stereotypes about them. And once again, you have to be careful not to label the whole black population of what a minority does or look like.

But not to worry... which knocks him out of contention.

I would rather have Paul as president then any of the other Republican candidates...