Shooting at Virginia Tech

[tw]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Swiss homes are full of assault rifles, each with a box of 200 rounds of ready ammunition, tw.

With every Swiss gun is massive, repetitive training. Since number of guns has not increased in Switzerland, then violent crimes do not increase. Where number of guns increase, then violent crimes increase. Charts comparing gun ownership in America compared to a following increase in violent death demonstrates a problem that is also well proven throughout the world.

Yes, the other parts of the western world regard America as a most violent nation - because they look at the numbers. In America, if someone 'disses' you, then you have the right to a gun. That attitude is now becoming more prevalent. So prevalent that American school yard massacres get a response called "Yawn".

How did Britain stop schoolyard slaughters? Everyone now carries a gun? A solution advocated by those who deny basic facts and numbers.

Meanwhile, every home in Switzerland does not have a gun. In Switzerland, those who are mentally unstable cannot have a gun. In Switzerland, everyone is carefully vetted. Urbane Guerrilla forget to mention that part. He also got to mention that many gun advocates oppose 'mental stablity' rules are contrary to the their interpretation of the Second Amendment. According to second admendment 'advocates' even the mentally unstable have a constitutional right to guns - even 155 mm howitizers.

Urbane Guerrilla forgot to mention so much. Therefore what is his poltical agenda?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by tw

Urbane Guerrilla forget to mention that part. He also got to mention that many gun advocates oppose 'mental stablity' rules are contrary to the their interpretation of the Second Amendment. According to second admendment 'advocates' even the mentally unstable have a constitutional right to guns - even 155 mm howitizers.

Cite.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Cite.

Second Amendement: "... the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." Quoted exactly as interpreted by the NRA. The right of the people, if or if not mentally ill, shall not be infringed. Arms - anything from hunting rifles to assault weapons to 155 mm howitzters - shall not be infringed.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by tw

Second Amendement: "... the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." Quoted exactly as interpreted by the NRA. The right of the people, if or if not mentally ill, shall not be infringed. Arms - anything from hunting rifles to assault weapons to 155 mm howitzters - shall not be infringed.

Nice try, now cite where the NRA says the mentally ill should not be denied.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Nice try, now cite where the NRA says the mentally ill should not be denied.

Bruce, you are doing this more and more often. Are you alright?

I never said, "NRA says the mentally ill should not be denied." Let's look exactly at what I posted:

He also [for]got to mention that many gun advocates oppose 'mental stablity' rules are contrary to the their interpretation of the Second Amendment.

Bruce - again you have jumped to conclusions rather than read what was posted.


9th Engineer makes another relevant comment in another thread:

Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

However, every time someone takes a serious stab at doing something about it it's portrayed as an assault on a minority culture or something.

Exactly. Many have completely contradictory opinion - none based in political agendas. Whereas the NRA leadership now advocates action to restrict guns from the mentally ill, the Medical industry opposes complete access to everyone's medical records. That (now) NRA advocated gun restriction calls for all such medical records to be accessed by government - a violation of privacy rights.

Meanwhile, what gets lost? Court records (public records) are not even being used to restrict weapons, in part, because of those who opposed 'any and all' gun restrictions. Eventually gun ownership will require one to display responsibility. In so much political spinning, that demand for responsiblity is completely lost in mud and distortions.

And so a hunter in Allentown PA fires a high power rifle. The bullet strikes a pregnant woman in the head in her driveway one half mile away. The hunter would not even apologize for his irresponsible actions. Therein lies the problem. Responsibility is now secondary and irrelevant to rights.

Meanwhile, Bruce should read before making such accusations. Lately he has been doing this more often.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

With every Swiss gun is massive, repetitive training. Since number of guns has not increased in Switzerland, then violent crimes do not increase. Where number of guns increase, then violent crimes increase. Charts comparing gun ownership in America compared to a following increase in violent death demonstrates a problem that is also well proven throughout the world.

Yes, the other parts of the western world regard America as a most violent nation - because they look at the numbers. In America, if someone 'disses' you, then you have the right to a gun. That attitude is now becoming more prevalent. So prevalent that American school yard massacres get a response called "Yawn".

How did Britain stop schoolyard slaughters? Everyone now carries a gun? A solution advocated by those who deny basic facts and numbers.

Meanwhile, every home in Switzerland does not have a gun. In Switzerland, those who are mentally unstable cannot have a gun. In Switzerland, everyone is carefully vetted.

If we had a country the size of Rhode Island with a population not bigger than large American city, that might be significant.

According to second admendment 'advocates' even the mentally unstable have a constitutional right to guns - even 155 mm howitizers.

That would be total bull crap.