6/7/2004: Ham art - Page 3

Kagen4o4 · 03-31-2007, 09:42 PM

how the fuck do people like that make a living.

it makes me sick

WabUfvot5 · 03-31-2007, 10:06 PM

They only make a living because of the controversy. So quick, do something strange and controversial that can be considered art

elSicomoro · 03-31-2007, 11:48 PM

I submit this.

xoxoxoBruce · 04-01-2007, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jebediah

They only make a living because of the controversy. So quick, do something strange and controversial that can be considered art

Quote:

Mr Semler said the timing of the exhibition - when Christians mark the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ - was coincidental.

Who the fuck do these lying cocksuckers think they're kidding.

Sundae · 04-02-2007, 04:30 AM

I think it's rather beautiful and not disrespectful at all.

Now if it was a chocolate Jesus being fellated by a Peeps Centurion while on a ham cross - yup, I'd back anyone's right to call for the show to be closed.

What is it with Americans and nudity? Or is it Christians and nudity? Surely if you believe in God you should have some respect for the beauty of his creation?

xoxoxoBruce · 04-02-2007, 03:00 PM

Not nudity alone. Piss poor art, timed and fully intended annoy and create controversy. They got their wish, just didn't profit from it..... at least directly.

kerosene · 04-10-2007, 08:40 PM

I wonder if he used cheap chocolate or good kind?

This kind of reminds me of that Robinson Crusoe movie with English dubbing ... "eat jesus like tribe of mine"

bluecuracao · 04-10-2007, 08:56 PM

It's a cool sculpture--too bad the show was cancelled. I don't blame the gallery director for being so pissed off.

Sundae · 04-16-2007, 10:31 AM

I still don't really understand it. Can I offer the following amendments to see if it would still cause offense?

- Still made of chocolate but with the usual loincloth
- The same nude figure but carved from wood
- Still nude and still chocolate but without the punning name

I don't think it's poor art, I think it's very well done.

I'm not trying to be PC or liberal, I honestly don't see how this can be offensive.

Hime · 04-16-2007, 10:51 AM

Apparently the chocolate Jesus was supposed to be a critique about the commercialization of Easter -- that for most Americans it's more about eating chocolate eggs/bunnies than about the actual events that the holiday commemorates.

So basically a Christian message. I have no idea why it offends people, except that some people seem to get very upset at being asked to think about things.

adayofliberation · 05-14-2007, 02:35 PM

stanky

xoxoxoBruce · 05-14-2007, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hime

Apparently the chocolate Jesus was supposed to be a critique about the commercialization of Easter -- that for most Americans it's more about eating chocolate eggs/bunnies than about the actual events that the holiday commemorates.

Evidently not.

Quote:

Mr Semler said the timing of the exhibition - when Christians mark the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ - was coincidental.

Welcome to the Cellar, adayofliberation.

PillowLover · 11-11-2007, 02:38 AM

Looking at this work of art as compared to another of his works of art, I can say the use of ham (meat) is much tamer than coating the bed with cheddar cheese or maybe even melted chocolate.

Of course, Cosimo Cavallaro could have really made an artistic statement by pilling all that ham on the bed AND also coating the bed with cheese. I would have put some melted cheese all over the pillows and the mattress, then added a layer of ham, another layer of cheese, another layer of ham, another layer of cheese, more ham and a final layer of cheese.

Another way Cosimo Cavallaro could have improved this bed, would be for him to take a copy of that "Chocolate Christ", laid it down on the bed, poured more chocolate over it, and then put the whole assembly into an auto paint drying oven for several hours to melt as much chocolate into the bed (pillows and sheets) as possible.

PillowLover · 11-11-2007, 03:09 AM

I think another way Cosimo Cavallaro could have done this artistic treatment of the ham-bed thing, would be to have him set up the bed (with feather pillows and a down comforter) in the middle of an open field, then add his sliced ham to stack it all over the bed. When he had all that ham added, then set the bed on fire as he did with the burning piano. He could have then called the performance "Toasted Ham Bed."

If he had also poured melted cheese over the bed along with the ham, then it would be "Toasted Ham and Cheese Bed Dinner."

DanaC · 11-11-2007, 07:47 AM

Well hello PillowLover....you seem to have given this an awful lot of thought :P

Welcome to the Cellar....it is what it is.

03-31-2007, 09:42 PM	#31
Kagen4o4 The Sheriff of Nothingland Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Melbourne, Aus Posts: 1,794	how the fuck do people like that make a living. it makes me sick __________________ something we both can enjoy??

04-02-2007, 04:30 AM	#35
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	I think it's rather beautiful and not disrespectful at all. Now if it was a chocolate Jesus being fellated by a Peeps Centurion while on a ham cross - yup, I'd back anyone's right to call for the show to be closed. What is it with Americans and nudity? Or is it Christians and nudity? Surely if you believe in God you should have some respect for the beauty of his creation? __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

04-02-2007, 03:00 PM	#36
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Not nudity alone. Piss poor art, timed and fully intended annoy and create controversy. They got their wish, just didn't profit from it..... at least directly. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

04-16-2007, 10:31 AM	#39
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	I still don't really understand it. Can I offer the following amendments to see if it would still cause offense? - Still made of chocolate but with the usual loincloth - The same nude figure but carved from wood - Still nude and still chocolate but without the punning name I don't think it's poor art, I think it's very well done. I'm not trying to be PC or liberal, I honestly don't see how this can be offensive. __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

03-31-2007, 10:06 PM	#32
WabUfvot5 Operations Operative Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 634	They only make a living because of the controversy. So quick, do something strange and controversial that can be considered art

03-31-2007, 11:48 PM	#33
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	I submit this.

04-10-2007, 08:40 PM	#37
kerosene Touring the facilities Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The plains of Colorado Posts: 3,476	I wonder if he used cheap chocolate or good kind? This kind of reminds me of that Robinson Crusoe movie with English dubbing ... "eat jesus like tribe of mine"

04-10-2007, 08:56 PM	#38
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	It's a cool sculpture--too bad the show was cancelled. I don't blame the gallery director for being so pissed off.

04-16-2007, 10:51 AM	#40
Hime Extraordinary Machine Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Outside of Washington, DC Posts: 307	Apparently the chocolate Jesus was supposed to be a critique about the commercialization of Easter -- that for most Americans it's more about eating chocolate eggs/bunnies than about the actual events that the holiday commemorates. So basically a Christian message. I have no idea why it offends people, except that some people seem to get very upset at being asked to think about things.

05-14-2007, 02:35 PM	#41
adayofliberation probably a whole lot cooler than you Join Date: May 2007 Location: norcross ga Posts: 2	stanky

11-11-2007, 02:38 AM	#43
PillowLover Fellow-Commoner Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 10	Looking at this work of art as compared to another of his works of art, I can say the use of ham (meat) is much tamer than coating the bed with cheddar cheese or maybe even melted chocolate. Of course, Cosimo Cavallaro could have really made an artistic statement by pilling all that ham on the bed AND also coating the bed with cheese. I would have put some melted cheese all over the pillows and the mattress, then added a layer of ham, another layer of cheese, another layer of ham, another layer of cheese, more ham and a final layer of cheese. Another way Cosimo Cavallaro could have improved this bed, would be for him to take a copy of that "Chocolate Christ", laid it down on the bed, poured more chocolate over it, and then put the whole assembly into an auto paint drying oven for several hours to melt as much chocolate into the bed (pillows and sheets) as possible.

11-11-2007, 03:09 AM	#44
PillowLover Fellow-Commoner Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 10	I think another way Cosimo Cavallaro could have done this artistic treatment of the ham-bed thing, would be to have him set up the bed (with feather pillows and a down comforter) in the middle of an open field, then add his sliced ham to stack it all over the bed. When he had all that ham added, then set the bed on fire as he did with the burning piano. He could have then called the performance "Toasted Ham Bed." If he had also poured melted cheese over the bed along with the ham, then it would be "Toasted Ham and Cheese Bed Dinner."

11-11-2007, 07:47 AM	#45
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Well hello PillowLover....you seem to have given this an awful lot of thought :P Welcome to the Cellar....it is what it is.

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