Bush hits a new low

[tw]

Originally Posted by theotherguy

I am not saying whether the particular numbers in this thread are right or wrong, but I start to lose interest when sources are quoted stating that, ....

the numbers.

The first thing extremists need your eyes to do - glaze over as soon as numbers are posted.

Many years back, an author played mind games with 'white boys' - and did it so well. Barak was amusing. Then he made one mistake. He finally posted numbers since he was playing those mind games with people easily deceived by numbers. Guess who joined the fray once a real fact existed? Using algebra, Barak had proven X 'something' was the same as Y 'others'. It was right there quoted from his book. But the 'white boys' eyes glazed over when he posted it.

I most enjoyed watching Barak play on guilt within 'white boys'. But Barak then committed original sin. His numbers were fiction. Entertainment ended because numbers from his book were lies. Even his editor could not do basic algebra?

The post was entitled "Hey Professor". Fallacy in his numbers was questioned in multiple posts that he never answered. Barak quietly stopped posting in The Cellar after the "Hey Professor" post. No more fun watching him 'bait white boys'. They were easily baited because, for example, they never demanded numbers. Had Barak not made the mistake of quoting numbers from his book, who knows; he might still be here today.

Numbers are either the irrefutable fact or numbers are how we identify liars. For both reasons, we always want numbers. Your eyes should get large once numbers appear since those are the useful posts.

'Number or no numbers' is also why one poster five years ago and so adamantly insisted that the Saddam WMD threat was not justified.

Let numbers glaze over your eyes - and Rush Limbaugh needs you for a disciple.

Numbers: military doctrine said America needed 600,000 troops deployed to "Mission Accomplished" before last year. We are now watching a slow defeat - Deja vue Nam - made so obvious even years ago by simple numbers. Did you see it coming back then - or did your eyes glaze over as retired generals and military analysts kept repeating those numbers - too few troops?

Notice how TheMercenary is quick to mock and deny - but never provided useful numbers in reply. Just another example of why numbers - in this case a lack of - should make your eyes large. If TheMercenary based doubt of polls in logic, then his criticism would have contained numbers. He posted no numbers in reply because his entire post was based in Rush Limbaugh rhetoric - a political agenda. TheMercenary could not dispute the numbers - so he disparaged them. Those missing numbers in his criticism should also make your eyes large. His 'missing numbers' says so much about TheMercenary's reasoning.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

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(yawn)

[theotherguy]

Originally Posted by tw

The first thing extremists need your eyes to do - glaze over as soon as numbers are posted.

Let me be clear. I do think that numbers are very important. But, without specific, qualifying statements as to how the numbers are determined, they are meaningless.

How many people were actually polled?
In what region? (results from NYC will typically be quite different from those in Birmingham, AL on political issues)
What were the questions asked?
Were they open-ended or were there answers from which the respondent was required to use?
The list could go on.

We have become such suckers for graphs, charts, and numbers that the majority will soak them up without question.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by theotherguy

Let me be clear. I do think that numbers are very important. But, without specific, qualifying statements as to how the numbers are determined, they are meaningless.

How many people were actually polled?
In what region? (results from NYC will typically be quite different from those in Birmingham, AL on political issues)
What were the questions asked?
Were they open-ended or were there answers from which the respondent was required to use?
The list could go on.

We have become such suckers for graphs, charts, and numbers that the majority will soak them up without question.

Exactly...

[tw]

Originally Posted by theotherguy

Let me be clear. I do think that numbers are very important. But, without specific, qualifying statements as to how the numbers are determined, they are meaningless.

Quite right is the 'quality' of those numbers. Or why underlying facts (ie how questions are worded) is important. UT demonstrated this in a discussion of polls maybe a year ago.

However to dispute those numbers, then you should have other numbers. To 'know' those numbers means you have more credible numbers. And that is the point. Numbers are necessary to make judgements. The most dangerous 'judgements' are those made without and that disparage numbers.

How do extremists promote their propaganda? Notice that Rush does not provide numbers. He preaches to those whose eyes routinely glaze over when numbers must be analyzed. That is the point. Our resident extremists demonstrate the technique often. They use disparaging comments to prove righteousness - rather than post numbers. They avoid hard numbers since, in one case, numbers make it harder to then rewrite history.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

Quite right is the 'quality' of those numbers. Or why underlying facts (ie how questions are worded) is important. UT demonstrated this in a discussion of polls maybe a year ago.

However to dispute those numbers, then you should have other numbers. To 'know' those numbers means you have more credible numbers. And that is the point. Numbers are necessary to make judgements. The most dangerous 'judgements' are those made without and that disparage numbers.

You missed the point, polls are weak forms of statistical measure and not worth the 1's and 0's used to pass them around on the web to bolster your repeated masinations.

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

You missed the point, polls are weak forms of statistical measure and not worth the 1's and 0's used to pass them around on the web to bolster your repeated masinations.

TheMercenary misses the point.

Psssttt - TheMercenary. It's not about you. Its about how extremists such as you promote Rush Limbaugh lies for a political agenda. TheMercenary must do everything possible to avoid that point. He knows those numbers are wrong because he has no numbers or facts to say otherwise. He automatically knows. It's called a political agenda.

Let's see. More scientists publicly announce today how White House extremists routinely changed science (and the numbers) for political purposes. How ironic. White House lawyers do same thing. Clearly it must be a mistake. White House lawyers would not change the numbers. Extremist lawyers would eliminate numbers that are politically incorrect.

Did TheMercenary post a single fact in reply? Of course not. That would be an honest post. Extremists know numbers can be subverted by naysaying.
"Numbers can lie. Therefore these numbers must be lies."
But again, what is it all about? The point is demontrated by TheMercenary – how he just knows is sufficient to be a fact.

Psssttt - TheMercenary. It’s not about those poll numbers. It's all about how you deny those numbers without a shred of fact. It's all about how you promote a political agenda.

Even integrity if that poll is irrelevant. TheMercenary automatically knows those numbers are wrong only because he knows. Those who think similar also ‘pervert science for politics’. Even 800 in Guantanamo must all be guilty only because they are in Guantanamo. Torture them. TheMercenary even approves of torture because he knows. More reasoning based in a political agenda that proves those poll numbers are wrong.

Numbers must be changed to be politically correct. It is called a political agenda.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

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Psssssssssssssst. tw, It still is not about me...