Bush's Shrinking Safety Zone - Page 42

Urbane Guerrilla · 07-12-2007, 09:52 PM

Sez you. :p

xoxoxoBruce · 07-12-2007, 09:54 PM

Sez your smirched soul.

Urbane Guerrilla · 07-13-2007, 12:48 AM

Ooo-kay, Bruce.

Here I am resisting the evil of communism, which not even tw denies he's trying to promulgate and I believe everyone else understands that's what he's doing, and campaigning against the America-must-lose mentality that is the curse and the plague of the American left, which mentality tw embodies. Hard to figure anybody decent would do that when America's cause is democracy's, and democracy's cause, I am persuaded, is all humanity's. For this among other reasons I reckon a communist to be an enemy of mankind, and that it is in mankind's interest to destroy all communists if they won't convert to capitalism. I once thought tw was merely a perverse leftist, but noting his habit of repeating Soviet or Red Chinese propaganda points along with his bitterness towards Republicans, who are more efficient at resisting Communist subversion than Democrats and better at thwarting Communist ambitions worldwide -- well, that he's a communist explains more of his properties better than that he's crazy. Not that he exhibits rational thinking when he gets wound up anyway -- he'll make deluded utterances and show idees-fixe by the handful. Since I desire the Communist stay discredited, I leave him his idees-fixe and let his own preposterousness defeat him.

And there's piercehawkeye's well-known sympathy not for Israel the democracy in that contest, but for the Palestinian authoritarian kakistocracy. This position is not readily distinguishable from antisemitism, and it's certainly a display of an undue degree of fascist sympathy, assuming Ba'athist influence anywhere in the Palestinian Authority. On the face of it, this seems likely, especially in any group closely connected with Syria.

So here you have two Cellarites of a couple of differing degrees of commitment to brutality, oppression, poverty, and general social wrongheadedness -- and you, Mr. Bruce, find it in your soul to object to my excoriating them for their sins? I'd like to see you justify your opinion. Grousing at me for striking out against evil just isn't going to make it.

07-13-2007, 12:58 AM

I hatz me a' commie!

(I like their posters and hats though)

piercehawkeye45 · 07-13-2007, 02:13 AM

UG, you know the world is much more detailed and complicated than black and white right?

07-13-2007, 03:15 AM

Sure, but it sure as hell ain't red.

Some of us have a sense of humor too...

Commies do hatz them some freedomz thou.

piercehawkeye45 · 07-13-2007, 03:53 AM

Good thing I'm not a commie then huh?

xoxoxoBruce · 07-13-2007, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Ooo-kay, Bruce.
Rant, rant, rant.
I'd like to see you justify your opinion. Grousing at me for striking out against evil just isn't going to make it.

Captain George W Queeg is at the helm and you're running around accusing everyone of having a duplicate key to the god damn strawberries... while the ship of state is heading straight into a typhoon.

You and the Captain are red, white and blue patriots, damn the torpedoes and all that, but neither of you know jack shit about diplomacy, post San Juan Hill and the Great White Fleet. The world has changed and you can't just charge around the world barking orders. The world's too big and you're too small for a "fer us or agin us" attitude because you'll just make everyone "agin us".

You have to accept the fact that not everyone that is different, in system and values, is the enemy... unless you make them so, which is a pretty stupid thing to do.
You fucked with a second, almost third, world nation of 25million and got your nose bloodied. Fuck with the world and you'll get your ass kicked.

Urbane Guerrilla · 07-13-2007, 11:52 AM

Bruce, can you ever get it through your head that our self-made and explicitly self declared enemies, who have been busily bloodying us since about 1983, are simply not our fault?? They are their own fault.

Therefore, they should lose and we should win. Democracy should win despite anything the undemocrats can do or say. When the last dictator kicks out his last moments hanged on the tripes of the last national chief of secret police, how much woe will have fled our world?

There is really my sole concern, Bruce. What else is there? What else could there be?

DanaC · 07-13-2007, 11:55 AM

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Therefore, they should lose and we should win.

Oh, well....at least we know what should happen eh?

Urbane, your government and my government have taken us into an unwinnable war. Maybe, if it had been done differently, it might have been winnable once, but it isn't now.

Urbane Guerrilla · 07-13-2007, 11:57 AM

So the shitbags win? Why should they? What's so invincible about them? They aren't ten feet tall, Dana.

DanaC · 07-13-2007, 12:01 PM

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So the shitbags win? Why should they? What's so invincible about them? They aren't ten feet tall, Dana.

No. That's true. And neither are we. As to why should they win? Because we cannot win this war. Not definitively. It's nothing to do with how tall they are, but rather the nature of the conflict and the geography of the theatre.

Griff · 07-13-2007, 12:01 PM

[neo]C'mon! Let's bomb Iran.[/con]

Happy Monkey · 07-13-2007, 01:33 PM

If they were ten feet tall, maybe we could win. But they look just like, and in most cases are, the people we claim to be there to help. Many mistakes we make (and many bits of collateral damage if those aren't counted as mistakes) when attempting to kill the bad guys make more bad guys. Even when the guys we get are bad guys, it may not be believed, and thus generate more bad guys. Heck, just being there generates more bad guys.

You can't play whack-a-mole against oobleck. Or a cat-in-the-hat-bathtub-ring.

Undertoad · 07-13-2007, 01:37 PM

If just being in the presence of westerners turns good guys into bad guys, they were bad to begin with.

07-12-2007, 09:54 PM	#617
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Sez your smirched soul. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-13-2007, 12:48 AM	#618
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Gauntlet's at your feet, xoBruce. Ooo-kay, Bruce. Here I am resisting the evil of communism, which not even tw denies he's trying to promulgate and I believe everyone else understands that's what he's doing, and campaigning against the America-must-lose mentality that is the curse and the plague of the American left, which mentality tw embodies. Hard to figure anybody decent would do that when America's cause is democracy's, and democracy's cause, I am persuaded, is all humanity's. For this among other reasons I reckon a communist to be an enemy of mankind, and that it is in mankind's interest to destroy all communists if they won't convert to capitalism. I once thought tw was merely a perverse leftist, but noting his habit of repeating Soviet or Red Chinese propaganda points along with his bitterness towards Republicans, who are more efficient at resisting Communist subversion than Democrats and better at thwarting Communist ambitions worldwide -- well, that he's a communist explains more of his properties better than that he's crazy. Not that he exhibits rational thinking when he gets wound up anyway -- he'll make deluded utterances and show idees-fixe by the handful. Since I desire the Communist stay discredited, I leave him his idees-fixe and let his own preposterousness defeat him. And there's piercehawkeye's well-known sympathy not for Israel the democracy in that contest, but for the Palestinian authoritarian kakistocracy. This position is not readily distinguishable from antisemitism, and it's certainly a display of an undue degree of fascist sympathy, assuming Ba'athist influence anywhere in the Palestinian Authority. On the face of it, this seems likely, especially in any group closely connected with Syria. So here you have two Cellarites of a couple of differing degrees of commitment to brutality, oppression, poverty, and general social wrongheadedness -- and you, Mr. Bruce, find it in your soul to object to my excoriating them for their sins? I'd like to see you justify your opinion. Grousing at me for striking out against evil just isn't going to make it. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

07-13-2007, 02:13 AM	#620
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	UG, you know the world is much more detailed and complicated than black and white right? Last edited by piercehawkeye45; 07-13-2007 at 02:18 AM.

07-13-2007, 11:52 AM	#624
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Bruce, can you ever get it through your head that our self-made and explicitly self declared enemies, who have been busily bloodying us since about 1983, are simply not our fault?? They are their own fault. Therefore, they should lose and we should win. Democracy should win despite anything the undemocrats can do or say. When the last dictator kicks out his last moments hanged on the tripes of the last national chief of secret police, how much woe will have fled our world? There is really my sole concern, Bruce. What else is there? What else could there be? __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

07-13-2007, 11:57 AM	#626
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	So the shitbags win? Why should they? What's so invincible about them? They aren't ten feet tall, Dana. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

07-12-2007, 09:52 PM	#616
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Sez you. :p

07-13-2007, 12:58 AM	#619
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I hatz me a' commie! (I like their posters and hats though)

07-13-2007, 03:15 AM	#621
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Sure, but it sure as hell ain't red. Some of us have a sense of humor too... Commies do hatz them some freedomz thou.

07-13-2007, 03:53 AM	#622
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Good thing I'm not a commie then huh?

07-13-2007, 12:01 PM	#628
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	[neo]C'mon! Let's bomb Iran.[/con] __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

07-13-2007, 01:33 PM	#629
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	If they were ten feet tall, maybe we could win. But they look just like, and in most cases are, the people we claim to be there to help. Many mistakes we make (and many bits of collateral damage if those aren't counted as mistakes) when attempting to kill the bad guys make more bad guys. Even when the guys we get are bad guys, it may not be believed, and thus generate more bad guys. Heck, just being there generates more bad guys. You can't play whack-a-mole against oobleck. Or a cat-in-the-hat-bathtub-ring. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

07-13-2007, 01:37 PM	#630
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	If just being in the presence of westerners turns good guys into bad guys, they were bad to begin with.

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