Men Abortion and Choice - Page 7

freshnesschronic · 08-09-2007, 03:16 AM

Chris rock joke everybody!

"so....whachu gonna do?"

Rk I don't agree with you, but I have even more respect for you for not backing down. You took all those rocks thrown at you. Teach me.

bluecuracao · 08-09-2007, 03:27 AM

Uh uh. If rk were to concede gracefully, that would be worthy of respect.

DanaC · 08-09-2007, 03:30 AM

Quote:

You took all those rocks thrown at you. Teach me.

If you mean he was stoned, you may be right :P

Aliantha · 08-09-2007, 03:36 AM

I'd like to know what woman would have an abortion if she was in a happy relationship with a man she wants to be with (unless there are extremely extenuating circumstances and I still think she has the final say anyway).

Also, if they make this legislation what makes anyone think men wont abuse it simply to get back at a woman who wont fuck him anymore?

The problem is, the problem works both ways but ultimately, it's not the man who has to bear the brunt, and if he changes his mind half way through the pregnancy (as they all too often do) then the woman is left with a child that she never intended to have but has no choice but to follow though - and in most cases will love that child endlessly, but her life is changed forever thanks to a fuckhead who wasn't smart enough to keep what's his to himself (if you want to apportion blame). We all know that even now that women are equals (har har) men are still the ones who do most of the persuing.

DanaC · 08-09-2007, 03:54 AM

Since time immemorial, there have been laws governing and securing men's rights over their children. Assumptions of female custody are an extremely modern development. For most of the world, across most of recorded history, where laws have existed, they have protected men's rights to the furtherance of their genes. These have in many cases stretched as far as the right to kill off any babies that weren't his (rights to 'expose' a baby), thereby showing that what is important, deep down is the 'replicate me' programme we're all born with. Males, as the physically dominant sex have always sought to control that programme. As civilization became more advanced, this morphed into control of land and property and maintenance of the family name and estate...but at its core it is what it always was. It is the reason society shames the promiscuous woman.

This is no different. This is no different to any of the myriad other ways men have used patriarchal societal systems to exert their control over the 'replicate me' programme and the women who incubate their genetic future.

bluecuracao · 08-09-2007, 03:55 AM

What, let him spew crap with no repercussions? Hell no. Rk knows the deal here.

Aliantha · 08-09-2007, 04:00 AM

The funny part (in my opinion) is that rkz truly believes what he's saying but doesn't realize how sexist he's being.

Sorry rkz, but it's true. I realize there's reasons why you feel the way you do and that you honestly believe what you're saying, but mate, you're not a woman. You never will be so you will never understand.

Before you go ahead and tell me I'm not a man and I'll never understand, I agree.

That's why it's a case of n'er the twain shall meet on this issue.

bluecuracao · 08-09-2007, 04:10 AM

WTF? Will you guys stop deleting your posts?

DucksNuts · 08-09-2007, 06:49 AM

Makes it very hard to follow

Aliantha · 08-09-2007, 07:01 AM

and swallow

DucksNuts · 08-09-2007, 07:05 AM

Have you had your daily dose of potassium?

Aliantha · 08-09-2007, 07:05 AM

I thought it was protien?

DanaC · 08-09-2007, 07:44 AM

I suspect its a little of both......probably no carbs though..

smurfalicious · 08-09-2007, 08:06 AM

I know a woman who got pregnant. At the time, her relationship was a disaster that had nearly run its course. The boyfriend wanted an abortion. She did not. She left. She endures pregnancy and raises the child on entirely her own. Because she believes she has an ethical - not legal - duty to take his opinion into consideration, she eliminates his responsibility to that child by raising the child on her own without financial, emotional, or any kind of support whatsoever from him. She recognizes that although she has the biological "advantage" (or disadvantage, depending on your POV) which allows her the ultimate decisions when it comes to her body, she believes she is ethically bound to respect his wishes.

It isn't fair to women that men don't have to deal with the baby plumbing that we do - the bleeding, the cramps, the migraines, the cancers, the risks and complications, the scarring, the pain... I spend 25% of my life stuffing cotton up my twat, another 25% eating chocolate and crying. I'm only "normal" 50% of the time! You guys walk around without a care in the world except when it comes to your ability to impregnate.

It isn't fair that men don't have the ultimate say. But as with most things in life, it isn't fair, and it is about trade-offs. You don't physically have to deal with it, you don't get the final decision.

You start putting limitations on abortions like this legislation suggests, and we've regressed back to coat hanger abortions, and abortions for the privileged.

Shawnee123 · 08-09-2007, 08:24 AM

Keep your laws off my body.

08-09-2007, 03:36 AM	#94
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I'd like to know what woman would have an abortion if she was in a happy relationship with a man she wants to be with (unless there are extremely extenuating circumstances and I still think she has the final say anyway). Also, if they make this legislation what makes anyone think men wont abuse it simply to get back at a woman who wont fuck him anymore? The problem is, the problem works both ways but ultimately, it's not the man who has to bear the brunt, and if he changes his mind half way through the pregnancy (as they all too often do) then the woman is left with a child that she never intended to have but has no choice but to follow though - and in most cases will love that child endlessly, but her life is changed forever thanks to a fuckhead who wasn't smart enough to keep what's his to himself (if you want to apportion blame). We all know that even now that women are equals (har har) men are still the ones who do most of the persuing. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

08-09-2007, 04:00 AM	#97
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	The funny part (in my opinion) is that rkz truly believes what he's saying but doesn't realize how sexist he's being. Sorry rkz, but it's true. I realize there's reasons why you feel the way you do and that you honestly believe what you're saying, but mate, you're not a woman. You never will be so you will never understand. Before you go ahead and tell me I'm not a man and I'll never understand, I agree. That's why it's a case of n'er the twain shall meet on this issue. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

08-09-2007, 07:01 AM	#100
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	and swallow __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

08-09-2007, 07:05 AM	#102
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I thought it was protien? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

08-09-2007, 08:06 AM	#104
smurfalicious Tool. Not the band - you are one. Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: 501 Northlake Blvd., North Palm Beach FL Posts: 329	I know a woman who got pregnant. At the time, her relationship was a disaster that had nearly run its course. The boyfriend wanted an abortion. She did not. She left. She endures pregnancy and raises the child on entirely her own. Because she believes she has an ethical - not legal - duty to take his opinion into consideration, she eliminates his responsibility to that child by raising the child on her own without financial, emotional, or any kind of support whatsoever from him. She recognizes that although she has the biological "advantage" (or disadvantage, depending on your POV) which allows her the ultimate decisions when it comes to her body, she believes she is ethically bound to respect his wishes. It isn't fair to women that men don't have to deal with the baby plumbing that we do - the bleeding, the cramps, the migraines, the cancers, the risks and complications, the scarring, the pain... I spend 25% of my life stuffing cotton up my twat, another 25% eating chocolate and crying. I'm only "normal" 50% of the time! You guys walk around without a care in the world except when it comes to your ability to impregnate. It isn't fair that men don't have the ultimate say. But as with most things in life, it isn't fair, and it is about trade-offs. You don't physically have to deal with it, you don't get the final decision. You start putting limitations on abortions like this legislation suggests, and we've regressed back to coat hanger abortions, and abortions for the privileged. __________________

08-09-2007, 03:16 AM	#91
freshnesschronic Professor Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,555	Chris rock joke everybody! "so....whachu gonna do?" Rk I don't agree with you, but I have even more respect for you for not backing down. You took all those rocks thrown at you. Teach me.

08-09-2007, 03:27 AM	#92
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	Uh uh. If rk were to concede gracefully, that would be worthy of respect.

08-09-2007, 03:54 AM	#95
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Since time immemorial, there have been laws governing and securing men's rights over their children. Assumptions of female custody are an extremely modern development. For most of the world, across most of recorded history, where laws have existed, they have protected men's rights to the furtherance of their genes. These have in many cases stretched as far as the right to kill off any babies that weren't his (rights to 'expose' a baby), thereby showing that what is important, deep down is the 'replicate me' programme we're all born with. Males, as the physically dominant sex have always sought to control that programme. As civilization became more advanced, this morphed into control of land and property and maintenance of the family name and estate...but at its core it is what it always was. It is the reason society shames the promiscuous woman. This is no different. This is no different to any of the myriad other ways men have used patriarchal societal systems to exert their control over the 'replicate me' programme and the women who incubate their genetic future.

08-09-2007, 03:55 AM	#96
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	What, let him spew crap with no repercussions? Hell no. Rk knows the deal here.

08-09-2007, 04:10 AM	#98
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	WTF? Will you guys stop deleting your posts?

08-09-2007, 06:49 AM	#99
DucksNuts Bitchy Little Brat Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 5,067	Makes it very hard to follow

08-09-2007, 07:05 AM	#101
DucksNuts Bitchy Little Brat Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 5,067	Have you had your daily dose of potassium?

08-09-2007, 07:44 AM	#103
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	I suspect its a little of both......probably no carbs though..

08-09-2007, 08:24 AM	#105
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Keep your laws off my body. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

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