Men Abortion and Choice - Page 20

Happy Monkey · 08-16-2007, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Of course not I have stated that more than once, but if they are not honorable they would simply ignore the pregnancy

Unless they didn't. You have no reason to make that assumption.

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I have not been here moron.

Yes you have. I've been trying to get an answer for a while, and you have posted in the meantime.

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By allowing the father to have his child if he wishes. Simple.

No, not simple. Here are some complications:

How would the father know about the pregnancy? Would he have to be notified by law? How would his identity be determined? A mandatory DNA test before abortion?

How, if he wanted the child, would the woman be stopped from having an abortion? Would the woman need to bring a permission slip to the doctor? Would the doctor have to check a national registry of woman who are prohibited abortions for nine months?

What deterrant would there be? Prison? A fine?

In short, how would your law work? You're saying that the father ought to have a say in the decision. Most would agree, as a matter of personal interaction. But how could that preference be encoded into law?

08-16-2007, 03:59 PM

All that would take some time to work out.
As far as notification, I would hope the mother would have a modicum of honor. But then, if that were true, there would be no need for a law.

lumberjim · 08-16-2007, 04:03 PM

there it is. there is no need for this law. you have it now!

08-16-2007, 04:04 PM

As long as all women honor the fathers as equals, true.
As always LJ can't read.

Happy Monkey · 08-16-2007, 04:05 PM

Sometimes the woman shouldn't have to tell him - rape, for example. Would she have to get a waiver from a judge in order to get an abortion without the rapist's consent? What if it were one of the many rapes (often date rape) where there is not enough evidence to convict? As he is innocent until proven guilty, can he still veto her abortion decision?

08-16-2007, 04:07 PM

I would hope that is a given.

lumberjim · 08-16-2007, 04:10 PM

butthole

Flint · 08-16-2007, 04:15 PM

I think all abortions should be decided by a roving gang of machete-wielding psychopaths.
If they don't hack you to pieces, you are legally required to have a baby. Case closed.

Happy Monkey · 08-16-2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

I would hope that is a given.

You would hope that it's a given that a date rapist could force his victim to give birth to his kid?

08-16-2007, 04:23 PM

I find it fascinating and pathetic how many in here do not believe in innocent until proven guilty AT ALL.

Flint · 08-16-2007, 04:24 PM

Innocent until proven guilty is a moot point, if the investigation exceeds the timeframe in which an abortion is possible. Another problem.

08-16-2007, 04:35 PM

Again, I have not pretended to state that I have worked out all legal ramifications and have stated multiple times that the woman should have personal honor so the law does not get involved.
As always, total lack of reading comprehension.

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butthole

From LJ, a high compliment.

Shawnee123 · 08-16-2007, 04:40 PM

All women will have personal honor as soon as all men do. K? Oh, and we'll stop recreational fucking as soon as men do too.

08-16-2007, 04:41 PM

Wow, more inability to read.
The whole conversation is about men who wish to own up to the product of their actions.

Flint · 08-16-2007, 04:42 PM

The honor system is what we have in place now. You are suggesting a law which would be prohibitively impractical.

08-16-2007, 04:03 PM	#288
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08-16-2007, 04:05 PM	#290
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Sometimes the woman shouldn't have to tell him - rape, for example. Would she have to get a waiver from a judge in order to get an abortion without the rapist's consent? What if it were one of the many rapes (often date rape) where there is not enough evidence to convict? As he is innocent until proven guilty, can he still veto her abortion decision? __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

08-16-2007, 04:10 PM	#292
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	butthole __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

08-16-2007, 04:15 PM	#293
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I think all abortions should be decided by a roving gang of machete-wielding psychopaths. If they don't hack you to pieces, you are legally required to have a baby. Case closed. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

08-16-2007, 04:24 PM	#296
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Innocent until proven guilty is a moot point, if the investigation exceeds the timeframe in which an abortion is possible. Another problem. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

08-16-2007, 03:59 PM	#287
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	All that would take some time to work out. As far as notification, I would hope the mother would have a modicum of honor. But then, if that were true, there would be no need for a law.

08-16-2007, 04:04 PM	#289
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	As long as all women honor the fathers as equals, true. As always LJ can't read.

08-16-2007, 04:07 PM	#291
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I would hope that is a given.

08-16-2007, 04:23 PM	#295
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I find it fascinating and pathetic how many in here do not believe in innocent until proven guilty AT ALL.

08-16-2007, 04:40 PM	#298
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	All women will have personal honor as soon as all men do. K? Oh, and we'll stop recreational fucking as soon as men do too. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

08-16-2007, 04:41 PM	#299
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Wow, more inability to read. The whole conversation is about men who wish to own up to the product of their actions.

08-16-2007, 04:42 PM	#300
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	The honor system is what we have in place now. You are suggesting a law which would be prohibitively impractical. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

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