Men Abortion and Choice

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Wow, more inability to read.
The whole conversation is about men who wish to own up to the product of their actions.

for you , maybe...because you're not reading. It seems to me that this conversation is about personal liberty. meh.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

I find it fascinating and pathetic how many in here do not believe in innocent until proven guilty AT ALL.

I believe in innocent until proven guilty as a legal construct, but it doesn't mean someone is actually innocent.

I agree that under your hypothetical law, a date rapist would have the ability to force his victim to carry the child. I was pointing that out as an inevitable, and harmful, consequence of your proposal.

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Again, I have not pretended to state that I have worked out all legal ramifications

That's an understatement.

and have stated multiple times that the woman should have personal honor so the law does not get involved.

That's what we have now. What would you change?

As always, total lack of reading comprehension.

You don't seem to have a comprehension of your own idea. Don't blame the reader.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

As for those of you talking about "viability" does that mean every time science allows us to keep a child alive earlier and earlier outside the mother the definition of fetus moves?

This is not really an unexpected outcome. Science and progress often lead to legal redefinition, and this would be particularly true for the beginning and end of life: points in time where the stakes are very high, and the science so likely to change things.

[DanaC]

As long as all women honor the fathers as equals, true.

No. As long as all women honor the fathers as paramount. As long as all women consider the fathers' wishes to outweigh their own. As long as all women consider their own wishes to be subordinate to those of the men they have sex with.

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

for you , maybe...because you're not reading. It seems to me that this conversation is about personal liberty. meh.

Wow. You are an asshole sometimes LJ. What do they call this? A smack-down? But geez..... sometimes I really like it.

This just in: I really must be going to hell.

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Wow, more inability to read.
The whole conversation is about men who wish to own up to the product of their actions.

Lol!!!! Really? lol!!!
Is that really what this is about?
LOL!!!! Right..... That's a good one!!!! Oh jeez....Why is that so funny?

[lumberjim]

It's only called a smack down if you're drinking Miller High Life and watching Nascar in your wifebeater. ...because wrestling isn't on.

now, why would you choose this moment to call me an asshole? i don't really mind so much, but I'm curious about the timing. I mean....it's quite plain that you are attracted to me, but ...must you be so blatant in your overtures? my wife is a member, you know.

[DanaC]

Is she the one who's been spraying you with Axe (Linx)?

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

It's only called a smack down if you're drinking Miller High Life and watching Nascar in your wifebeater. ...because wrestling isn't on.

now, why would you choose this moment to call me an asshole? i don't really mind so much, but I'm curious about the timing. I mean....it's quite plain that you are attracted to me, but ...must you be so blatant in your overtures? my wife is a member, you know.

Oh right..... You aren't an asshole....is this one of those spontaneous games where I have to guess the game?

Oh wait. You haven't denied it yet.

[DanaC]

What? I'm confused.

[Cicero]

Any moment isn't a good moment to call you an asshole LJ?
Do I have the right LJ?
How about now? Asshole.
lol!

I'm sorry it's a guilty pleasure- it's just so fun though- I can't stop.

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by Cicero

Oh right..... You aren't an asshole....is this one of those spontaneous games where I have to guess the game?

Oh wait. You haven't denied it yet.

Wellll......While i won't catagorically deny being an asshole ....at times.... I would say in a general sense that I am in fact, rather non assholular. That is ....I'm an asshole in the most appealing sense of the word ....at times.

Like.... you could say, "ah, Jim, you asshole...." and be smiling and I'd smile back and flip you the bird. And then shake my head and walk away still smiling.... But if you got all red in the face and balled your fists up impotently at your sides and screamed "YOU ASSHOLE!" at the top of your lungs in a crowded Library.....I might take some exception to that.


now...why don't you tell me how you really feel about me( I was just kidding about you being attracted to me, btw...i know I'm a big dork), and then we can deal with each other in an honest fashion. I like you, fwiw...I think you're one of the good n00bs.

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by Cicero

Any moment isn't a good moment to call you an asshole LJ?
Do I have the right LJ?
How about now? Asshole.
lol!

I'm sorry it's a guilty pleasure- it's just so fun though- I can't stop.

You should be careful. I'll get typecast. You'll call me an asshole all the time, and as your star rises, others will glom onto you and start calling ma an asshole too. pretty soon, the definition of asshole will change in to a synonym for 'gregarious'. and you'll ruin the word.....like what happened to 'gay'.

worse than that, I'll resort to turnabout and start calling you something semi offensive and catchy....like......'dirty bitch'.....I know it's pirated from Anchorman, but it has a nice hook to it, i think. ya dirty bitch.

[jinx]

Originally Posted by jinx

.. Although it seems fairly played since rk won't answer HM's question.

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

I have not been here moron.

Nope, that's wrong, do you want to try another answer? Maybe you didn't read posts 241, 213, 173, 170 etc...?
Do you have enough honor to admit that you're wrong, or is that beneath you?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

worse than that, I'll resort to turnabout and start calling you something semi offensive and catchy....like......'dirty bitch'.....I know it's pirated from Anchorman, but it has a nice hook to it, i think. ya dirty bitch.

I haven't heard, "ignorant slut", in years.