Carter: America tortures

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Ali, just why do you suppose I might have it, hmm?

I'm not hearing enough enthusiasm for breaking the undemocrats, wiping away their legacy of oppression. As you know, it's dishonest to say I'm talking about Republican Party members.

I think it's a matter of perspective as to what constitutes humanities cause. That's why I think your way is only your opinion. I'm sure others share it (your opinion), but your way of solving the worlds problems doesn't match other people's way of doing it.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by tw

This was the spirit and tone of rhetoric also used by Hitler to subvert the German government. Hitler also insisted that he and his party were the only true patriotic Germans. If he was not posting a political agenda, then UG would have called them Democrats - not undemocrats. Honesty becomes a victim when political agendas are more important.

Well UG is only 2 steps away from being a Nazi himself. What do you expect? lol

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Honesty becomes a victim when political agendas are more important.

Ipse dixit, tw.

My spirit is to crush the Hitlers -- yours is to crush democracy -- and I applaud the wisdom of crushing and hanging Saddam before he was a Hitler-sized world problem. You don't see the Democrats being that wise, nor visibly desiring to. That is why I don't vote Democrat, and the last time I did was I don't know when in the previous century. They don't deserve any support.

Aliantha: Godwin's Law, darling!

[Aliantha]

From Wiki:

A 2005 Reason magazine article argued that Godwin's law is often misused to ridicule even valid comparisons

I think my statement was a valid comparison. I think you're misusing Godwins Law...darlink.

If you disagree, I guess we could always have a poll?

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Not remotely misusing it, nor remotely valid either, as I cannot honestly be mistaken for a Nazi by anyone with a knowledge of Nazism and the steps leading to it. And my remark was more in the nature of a caution than an accusation. Tw's flirting with crossing that line too, but that's typical tw: always he opposes the success of the Republic in foreign policy. Ask him sometime if he wants us to win this, for the global Functioning Economic Core or anything else. He's very uniform about supporting anti-democracy over democracy. It's profoundly xenophobic if not just plain bigoted. It amounts to "less than democracy is good enough for those foreigners." G. Zuss. This guy's got a very manifest totalitarian streak. It's enough to make me talk like the Pharisee did about the tax collector.

[DanaC]

Not remotely misusing it, nor remotely valid either, as I cannot honestly be mistaken for a Nazi by anyone with a knowledge of Nazism and the steps leading to it.

Well. I have some knowledge of the steps leading to Nazism and also of what constitutes nazism, and I'd say the comparison is valid.

[BigV]

UG, you only have a couple of themes.

The minor ones are cooking, language, drama, music. Minor not because these are unimportant human endeavors, but minor diversions from your major obsession: killing everyone who does not agree with you. I have to tell you, it's tiresome.

And you're such a pompous hypocrite about it. "I command you to be democratic or die." Look, friend, you don't speak for all humanity. Give it, and us, and yourself a rest.

[tw]

Originally Posted by BigV

UG, you only have a couple of themes.

The minor ones are cooking, language, drama, music.

UG has a dramtic flair for cooking human flesh with profane language? What kind of music goes with that?


Red wine or white?

[amybaby2020]

we all have different views, now one can speak on anyone elses behalf

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Actually, having experience of both democracy and nondemocracy, I do speak for all humanity, and you don't speak for anything human on this point, V. You should be the one giving it a rest. Don't defend the evilly indefensible unless it's your life's goal to get skinned for being a fascist sympathizer. No hypocrisy there, I assure you. The way you're using the word suggests you ought to repair to a dictionary and refamiliarize.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Well. I have some knowledge of the steps leading to Nazism and also of what constitutes nazism, and I'd say the comparison is valid.

So far it doesn't sound like it. People trying to call me a Nazi are doing so from so acute an ignorance of Nazism as to astonish.

[DanaC]

Actually, having experience of both democracy and nondemocracy, I do speak for all humanity

[Aliantha]

I've got to say that he doesn't speak for me...but I suppose if he pointed a gun in my face or told me he was going to kill my children if I didn't go along with him I might let him think he could speak for me.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Nonsense. And on multiple levels.

[Aliantha]

what's nonsense?