When Obama says things like this...

Undertoad · 12-12-2007, 01:36 PM

...he hits me straight in my core, finds my resonant frequency and rings me like a tuning fork.

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed..._got_it_wrong/

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And so the point is, whether it's cultural wars or how we think about our foreign policy or how we think about our economics, the baby boom generation resolved a lot of these conflicts in their own lives, but our politics remained stuck in this deeply polarized pattern. And that's the reason people are so frustrated. That's why people don't ever see themselves reflected in the debates. And part of the reason why I think we've done well historically is that I'm using a language that I think is more in tune with the American people, which says, I'm not going to demonize you because you disagree with me, that I don't think the Democrats have a monopoly on wisdom. But we have a strong set of principles and values that we care about. I'm unwavering in my commitment to a set of goals like making sure that every child has equal opportunity, making sure that upward mobility continues in our society, but I'm more agnostic in terms of how we achieve it.

Pie · 12-12-2007, 02:43 PM

Does that mean that you like him or you hate him?

Undertoad · 12-12-2007, 04:01 PM

He resonates with me. I don't know if I'll, you know, vote for him. But I find it incredible that a politician, running for President, has squarely addressed the notion that we're in this weird polarized place, all fighting and nasty and non-unified.

Plus, I think he'll win the nomination. He's got all the Bill Clinton-like natural presence that Hillary just doesn't have.

Griff · 12-12-2007, 04:19 PM

If you look at the whole group of candidates and are just checking off the charisma box, he is the guy. Nobody else is close. The Clinton machine could get her the nomination but her negatives are so high even someone from a lackluster Republican field might beat her. I really think if he gets the nomination he should glide through.

lookout123 · 12-12-2007, 04:28 PM

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I really think if he gets the nomination he should glide through.

that is exactly what i DON'T want to happen. i want him to come out and earn my vote. what he says is right, but then what? i hear too many of these people identifying "the problem", but not enough give an honest answer about what they feel the solution is. i may see an issue and define the problem in identical terms as another person but we may come to different conclusions about how to solve the problem. I really don't want see another election blown because people keep saying, "I have a plan. It is a good plan. My plan rulz!" without ever going on to tell us anything substantive about what the plan really is.

classicman · 12-12-2007, 04:59 PM

/on rant/
lookout, thats cuz the plan gets bogged down in the bureaucracy that is our gov't. Thats the problem with all of them. It doesn't really matter what they say, nothing will really get accomplished. Its all just moot rhetoric anymore.

Short of taking everyone in gov't, lining them up, numbering them all from 1 to 4 and laying off all the even numbered ones, nothing will change. None of the politicians seem to actually WORK for their money. They say and do whatever they need to in order to get elected and have the attitude that once they are elected they made it. I think all they have made is the chance to actually start working.
/off rant/

Happy Monkey · 12-12-2007, 05:19 PM

Good plans don't fit in speeches. If any candidate actually has a plan, it will be on their website. Of course, if a candidate says something to that effect, they will be made fun of.

Also, a good plan will have tradeoffs. If a candidate lays out their plan too early, the other candidates will find all the minuses and harp on them. In the modern media environment, it seems to be more effective to have no plan than to have a plan with tradeoffs.

busterb · 12-12-2007, 07:04 PM

Plan! Plan my ass

ZenGum · 12-12-2007, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by busterb

Plan! Plan my ass

Ok.

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Bullitt · 12-12-2007, 11:08 PM

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Razzmatazz13 · 12-13-2007, 12:13 AM

Clodfobble · 12-13-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Short of taking everyone in gov't, lining them up, numbering them all from 1 to 4 and laying off all the even numbered ones, nothing will change.

Are you sure you don't work for the government? I'll come in and really clean up the bureaucracy and red tape this town, with my new You Only Have To Number Them 1 and 2 policy!!

classicman · 12-13-2007, 11:20 AM

Was waitin for someone to catch that. YOU WIN!

TheMercenary · 12-15-2007, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

/on rant/
lookout, thats cuz the plan gets bogged down in the bureaucracy that is our gov't. Thats the problem with all of them. It doesn't really matter what they say, nothing will really get accomplished. Its all just moot rhetoric anymore.

Short of taking everyone in gov't, lining them up, numbering them all from 1 to 4 and laying off all the even numbered ones, nothing will change. None of the politicians seem to actually WORK for their money. They say and do whatever they need to in order to get elected and have the attitude that once they are elected they made it. I think all they have made is the chance to actually start working.
/off rant/

That pretty much sums up my feelings as well. In this day and age none of them are to be trusted. We have been repeatedly lied to by every single president for the last 100 years. The canidates will tell you anything to get you to vote for them. Hitlery Cliton is the worst of the bunch IMHO. Obama seems like a straight shooter but I have not seen anything of substance as to how he is going to accomplish all these things he is promising everyone. Wealth redistribution is not part of the equation for me, so figure out how you are going to make it happen and then tell me your plan.

icileparadise · 12-15-2007, 01:10 PM

Plans shmams, when they are elected that's it. It does not matter who you vote for; the Government always gets in. Who could fail against the present incumbents?

12-12-2007, 02:43 PM	#2
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12-12-2007, 04:19 PM	#4
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	If you look at the whole group of candidates and are just checking off the charisma box, he is the guy. Nobody else is close. The Clinton machine could get her the nomination but her negatives are so high even someone from a lackluster Republican field might beat her. I really think if he gets the nomination he should glide through. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

12-12-2007, 04:59 PM	#6
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	/on rant/ lookout, thats cuz the plan gets bogged down in the bureaucracy that is our gov't. Thats the problem with all of them. It doesn't really matter what they say, nothing will really get accomplished. Its all just moot rhetoric anymore. Short of taking everyone in gov't, lining them up, numbering them all from 1 to 4 and laying off all the even numbered ones, nothing will change. None of the politicians seem to actually WORK for their money. They say and do whatever they need to in order to get elected and have the attitude that once they are elected they made it. I think all they have made is the chance to actually start working. /off rant/ Last edited by classicman; 12-12-2007 at 05:04 PM.

12-12-2007, 07:04 PM	#8
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12-12-2007, 11:08 PM	#10
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12-12-2007, 04:01 PM	#3
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	He resonates with me. I don't know if I'll, you know, vote for him. But I find it incredible that a politician, running for President, has squarely addressed the notion that we're in this weird polarized place, all fighting and nasty and non-unified. Plus, I think he'll win the nomination. He's got all the Bill Clinton-like natural presence that Hillary just doesn't have.

12-12-2007, 05:19 PM	#7
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Good plans don't fit in speeches. If any candidate actually has a plan, it will be on their website. Of course, if a candidate says something to that effect, they will be made fun of. Also, a good plan will have tradeoffs. If a candidate lays out their plan too early, the other candidates will find all the minuses and harp on them. In the modern media environment, it seems to be more effective to have no plan than to have a plan with tradeoffs. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

12-13-2007, 12:13 AM	#11
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12-13-2007, 11:20 AM	#13
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Was waitin for someone to catch that. YOU WIN!

12-15-2007, 01:10 PM	#15
icileparadise Coronation Incarnate Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Swiss Mountains Posts: 96	Plans shmams, when they are elected that's it. It does not matter who you vote for; the Government always gets in. Who could fail against the present incumbents?

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