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Old 12-23-2007, 01:07 PM   #1
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When Hillary runs ads like this...

It makes me want to hurl:



Even if you are in favor of each of the policies she tags (and she isn't, btw), glossing over the political struggle as if Hillary could magically gift them to you is an offensive metaphor. Of course it's not Hillary who would gift them to you, even if they did become policy.

The left has characterized Bush's time as hubris, but the hubris on display here is astounding. Truly the President is *not* a king or queen with the ability to move big policy simply by being elected. It's a long, hard slog to even push policies that everybody seems in favor of, and even if you have one-party control of both the Presidency and the Congress. Hillary should know this, because that was exactly her experience in 1993.

Lastly, the ad mixes the normally heart-warming homey signals of Christmas with the frigidity of politics... and of Clinton's own delivery, where it would appear no warmth can be found. You know, traditionally, the candidates take the week of Christmas off, the idea being that people really don't want to hear from them at this time; they want to spend their time with their families, tiding of comfort and joy, that sort of thing. That's over, now that the election cycle is so long and primaries are moving up, closer to Christmas.

Now I swear I was ready to accept her, if not even vote for her as a recognition that politics is inevitable, not frightening, and that she is a good player of it. But after this initial dose, a few months of her game, I find her game annoying. Her harsh rasp is a non-sell. She completely lacks Bill's emotional connection to an audience, or to the people in general.
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Old 12-23-2007, 02:17 PM   #2
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On the news this morning, they were describing all the Christmas ads the candidates were airing. This is the first time none of them has recessed their campaign for Christmas.
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Old 12-23-2007, 02:22 PM   #3
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Everything about Hitlery makes me want to puke, ad or no ad.
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Old 12-23-2007, 06:16 PM   #4
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I will say this once again. I honestly don't know a single person that actually supports Hiliary.

Hopefully, the more she talks and leaves herself open, the more people will change their stances away from her.
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Old 12-23-2007, 06:45 PM   #5
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She's so fucking smug it almost makes me gag.
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Old 12-23-2007, 09:08 PM   #6
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Go Hitlery, Go Hitlery, Go Hitlery...

Elect me and oil prices instantly drop, says Hillary Clinton in Iowa
BY MICHAEL McAULIFF
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

Sunday, December 23rd 2007, 4:00 AM

MANCHESTER, N.H. - Hillary Clinton predicted Saturday that just electing her President will cut the price of oil.

When the world hears her commitment at her inauguration about ending American dependence on foreign fuel, Clinton says, oil-pumping countries will lower prices to stifle America's incentive to develop alternative energy.

"I predict to you, the oil-producing countries will drop the price of oil," Clinton said, speaking at the Manchester YWCA. "They will once again assume, once the cost pressure is off, Americans and our political process will recede."

Clinton argued that former President Jimmy Carter in the late 1970s actually started moving in the right direction toward energy independence, but his successor, Ronald Reagan, "dismantled" that work.

"Because costs were low, people didn't care, didn't complain," she said.

She warned that folks shouldn't be grateful now if oil countries cut prices from near $100 a barrel to $60 or $70, and compared it to trying to boil a frog.

"You put him in hot water, it jumps right out, you put him in cold water and turn up the heat - he's a goner," she said. "We've got to figure out how were going to not be the frog in the cold water anymore."

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Old 12-23-2007, 09:52 PM   #7
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She's truly frightening. I sincerely hope there aren't enough people ignorant enough to believe her.
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Old 12-23-2007, 09:53 PM   #8
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Oh, and I love that commercial just makes me wonder where the bill for all that stuff is being sent.
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Old 12-23-2007, 09:59 PM   #9
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I honestly don't know a single person that actually supports Hiliary.
My aunt (5th grade teacher) adores her, and has been talking about how she should be president since back when she was first lady. Also, my friend (24-year-old PR specialist in D.C.) is solidly, if not enthusiastically, supportive of her in a hate-all-Republicans kind of way. So there's two for you.
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Old 12-24-2007, 01:23 AM   #10
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Well, as before, the Democrats aren't selling anything I'd want to buy.

God, do they need more Liebermans. The only other Democrats worth respecting are in uniform.
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Old 12-24-2007, 11:53 AM   #11
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But isn't Lieberman a fellow war monger?
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Old 12-25-2007, 12:18 AM   #12
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There's letting despotism flourish (and blot) and there's monging war. If you must, and apparently you must, since you seem to value human life over human goodness, think of it that I'm choosing the lesser evil. At the worst. Or else, behold, I make a new thing. Where there was darkness, I shed light. Where there was sin, righteousness. Where there was oppression, fairness.
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Old 12-25-2007, 09:08 AM   #13
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...where there was B.S., a shovel.
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Old 12-25-2007, 09:14 AM   #14
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There's letting despotism flourish (and blot) and there's monging war.
Pssst - I think you mean mongering. A monger is a seller or trader.
Monging implies pretending you have Down Syndrome...
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Old 12-26-2007, 02:34 AM   #15
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Though I think not very accurately. You're right -- mongering would be a better verb!

Yes, a shovel. Very handy.
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