Homeschoolers are criminals

[SteveDallas]

Originally Posted by lookout123

On the other hand I have two cousins who were homeschooled. They are complete and utter tools.

But are they well-educated tools? Can we guarantee that if they had attended public schools, or private schools for that matter, they would not now be tools?

[jinx]

Originally Posted by lookout123

I'm torn on this. My inner skeptic keeps popping up and saying the family must have been doing something to draw this negative attention. Right now I'm listening to a radio program talking about this case and they're not saying anything to suggest the family was problematic.

Here's what I've heard

Originally Posted by J. Michael Smith, HSLDA President

This case involved a family with a 20-year history of litigation in
the juvenile courts over the care of their children. Prior adverse
decisions had been rendered by the courts.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by SteveDallas

But are they well-educated tools? Can we guarantee that if they had attended public schools, or private schools for that matter, they would not now be tools?

No, toolage can never be guaranteed.

[Cloud]

I think kids should be homeschooled after elementary school. They'll learn all the social interaction stuff they need; and then when they start to go crazy from hormones, peer pressure, and media hype, they can be kept close. Under guard.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Cloud

I think kids should be homeschooled after elementary school. They'll learn all the social interaction stuff they need; and then when they start to go crazy from hormones, peer pressure, and media hype, they can be kept close. Under guard.

And you could just chain them to the bed or the pipe in the closet.

[Cloud]

hey, great idea!

[Cicero]

snip~"A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation as a means of protecting the public welfare,"~snip

Oh geez. This is extreme.

"Good citizenship"-good.
"Patriotism"-good.
"Loyalty to the State and Nation"-good.
"Protecting the public welfare"-good.
"Primary purpose"- not so good.
"Train school children"- not so good.


*cough* nazi *cough*



I've watched a close friend home-school for a long time. She's been really successful at it but I see how everyone might not be. Testing the kids to make sure they are at average level once a year seems fair.....If not, they can study harder...no biggy. The state wants to own your kids..which they do, but why be so in your face about it? "We have to give them their training!!!" "Buahahahaaa!!" Sounds kind of sardonic.

I'm not sure if I had a kid that I would want them taking a part in a system that has their training all worked out. It's an itty-bitty kid that likes to stick stuff in it's mouth..not a soldier. (yet)

[Aliantha]

Train is just another word for teach.

If a school has another primary purpose besides teaching, they're probably not a good school.

[Cicero]

yea...Train is usually an accepted synonym of teach...But in this context I don't think it's ok. The whole thing sounds militant...different kind of training there..

[Aliantha]

I think you're being a bit paranoid actually. Swap the word train for 'teach', and then substitute primary purpose for 'goal' and you've got the exact same meaning with a softer approach.

Perhaps it does look 'militant' to use your word, but on the other hand, perhaps it was written by someone who takes the social responsibilities of education very seriously.

[SteveDallas]

Originally Posted by Cloud

they can be kept close. Under guard.

Chastity belts anyone??

[Cicero]

You don't replace words with law. Sorry. I'm not paranoid to see the poltics behind these actions and exactly where that judge stands. It's just the truth....oooh paranoia..plbbbt. Kids and their families don't need to be caught up in her politics and it's actually the judge's paranoia affecting society not mine.

Don't call me paranoid because a judge is rash...

[Aliantha]

Yes, and schools aren't supposed to take the place of good parenting, but sometimes the only good influence kids have on their lives are school teachers and other government run organizations.

From what I can see, it's likely the judge knows the parents aren't bringing the kids up to be valuable, socially conscious adults. If the judge is giving the parents a lecture on the fact that they've failed in their duty as parents, then I think she should use wording which is as strong and 'militant' as she likes.

Whether the ultimate ruling is wrong or illegal is not for me to say. Maybe you should have 'snipped' a bit more of the statement if it's so easily taken out of context.

[Cicero]

My best friend is a damb fine teacher and her son is getting a great education! Does the judge know how brilliant my friend's son is turning out to be? He was born gifted and that was enhanced by his mother that made her son's education the first priority in her life. She is raising her son as valuable because he is valuable...I wish someone had taken that great of care with my education so I could have better jobs than content editing judge's opinions for law books.

Sometimes the only good influence in kids lives are the parents too...It doesn't work only in one way.

[Aliantha]

The judge is not talking about your friend's child. She's talking about a different family who it would seem, do not take great care of their children.

I don't really have an opinion either way on homeschooling. I do however believe that some parents are not suitable candidates for homeschool teachers.