Would you?

piercehawkeye45 · 03-10-2008, 05:24 PM

I'm not sure what I'm doing yet, I'm still not registered.

I've heard very bad things about Obama's foreign policy, a lot of his advisers are hawks who are considered the democratic version of Henry Kissinger.

I don't really trust any candidate, but maybe thats because I'm listening to The Who right now....

Griff · 03-11-2008, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I've heard very bad things about Obama's foreign policy, a lot of his advisers are hawks who are considered the democratic version of Henry Kissinger.

After the Neo-Com experience, we would do well to see who the advisors are. The only foreign policy advisor I've heard from is the lady (Samantha Powell?) who got fired for speaking her mind about Hillary. Her foreign policy positions were a clean break from the hawks. She had an interview on BBC radio over the weekend. Remember that rumor mongering is old school Clinton and her supporters take their Kool Aid even stronger than the change crowd.

aimeecc · 03-11-2008, 12:10 PM

Samantha Powers. I used to like her. She wrote a book a few years ago on the history of genocide that I read. Nothing profound... more depressing than anything else. I'm not sure why Obama would pick her as his foreign policy advisor. She's not that experienced on the grand scale, her niche is human rights. I was surprised to see her make the mistake of calling Hillary a monster and then asking for it to be off the record. She should know better.

But I am a Hillary supporter.

And to think some would say we'd get less respect with her from the Middle East and South America because she's a woman? What about Margaret Thatcher, Benazir Bhutto, Indira Ghandi... just to name a few prominent female leaders. I definitely think the US will be taken as seriously wwith her as Pres. What's laughable is to elect someone with as little experience as Obama.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/us...rssnyt&emc=rss

piercehawkeye45 · 03-11-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff

After the Neo-Com experience, we would do well to see who the advisors are. The only foreign policy advisor I've heard from is the lady (Samantha Powell?) who got fired for speaking her mind about Hillary. Her foreign policy positions were a clean break from the hawks. She had an interview on BBC radio over the weekend. Remember that rumor mongering is old school Clinton and her supporters take their Kool Aid even stronger than the change crowd.

A list of advisers:

Clinton:

Madeleine Albright (former Secretary of State)
Sandy Berger (former National Security Adviser)
Richard Holbrooke (potential Secretary of State)

Obama:

Zbigniew Brzezinski (former national security advisor)
Anthony Lake (former national security advisor)
Susan Rice (former assistant Secretary of State)
Richard Danzig (former navy secretary)
Joseph Cirincione
Lawrence Korb (Center for American Progress)
Richard Clarke (former counterterrorism czar)
Samantha Power (noted human rights scholar)
General Merrill McPeak
Dennis Ross

Here are some articles on the Democrat's advisers.

http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4940
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/3...city_linked_us

Griff · 03-11-2008, 01:55 PM

As a result, it may be significant that Senator Clinton’s foreign policy advisors, many of whom are veterans of her husband’s administration, were virtually all strong supporters of President George W. Bush’s call for a U.S. invasion of Iraq. By contrast, almost every one of Senator Obama’s foreign policy team was opposed to a U.S. invasion.

It appears that we are dealing with two groups of establishment players, with Obama's generally getting the Iraq war right and Hillary's pretty much getting it wrong. That means Hillary is definitely out and how much Obama will be his own man as President continues to be the big question. If he can sell me on the idea that we'll get a less belligerent foreign policy, I may give him a chance.

TheMercenary · 03-17-2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

A list of advisers:

Clinton:[list][*]Madeleine Albright (former Secretary of State)

Hey thats the lady that ignored Rwanda and the hundreds of thousands got hacked to death, great job there.

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[*]Sandy Berger (former National Security Adviser)

Hey thats the guy who continually stole documents from the National Archives, great guy there.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/...ger.sentenced/

03-10-2008, 05:24 PM	#1
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	I'm not sure what I'm doing yet, I'm still not registered. I've heard very bad things about Obama's foreign policy, a lot of his advisers are hawks who are considered the democratic version of Henry Kissinger. I don't really trust any candidate, but maybe thats because I'm listening to The Who right now.... __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

03-11-2008, 01:55 PM	#5
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	As a result, it may be significant that Senator Clinton’s foreign policy advisors, many of whom are veterans of her husband’s administration, were virtually all strong supporters of President George W. Bush’s call for a U.S. invasion of Iraq. By contrast, almost every one of Senator Obama’s foreign policy team was opposed to a U.S. invasion. It appears that we are dealing with two groups of establishment players, with Obama's generally getting the Iraq war right and Hillary's pretty much getting it wrong. That means Hillary is definitely out and how much Obama will be his own man as President continues to be the big question. If he can sell me on the idea that we'll get a less belligerent foreign policy, I may give him a chance. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

03-11-2008, 12:10 PM	#3
aimeecc Super Intendent Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 249	Samantha Powers. I used to like her. She wrote a book a few years ago on the history of genocide that I read. Nothing profound... more depressing than anything else. I'm not sure why Obama would pick her as his foreign policy advisor. She's not that experienced on the grand scale, her niche is human rights. I was surprised to see her make the mistake of calling Hillary a monster and then asking for it to be off the record. She should know better. But I am a Hillary supporter. And to think some would say we'd get less respect with her from the Middle East and South America because she's a woman? What about Margaret Thatcher, Benazir Bhutto, Indira Ghandi... just to name a few prominent female leaders. I definitely think the US will be taken as seriously wwith her as Pres. What's laughable is to elect someone with as little experience as Obama. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/us...rssnyt&emc=rss

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