When it becomes Hillary v McCain

[Radar]

Your cynicism is showing.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Radar

Your cynicism is showing.

I'm not a cynic. I just don't believe that a US president will change anything. If there is going to be change, the US population will have to stand up and take matters into their own hands.

Just by looking at Obama's key phrase you can see it. Change does not happen overnight. Change cannot happen from a small group of individuals. Change, in the sense that is being used, is sociological movement where the the majority has to take part if it is going to be successful. One large factor that helps Obama is that many just want to blame our problems on an elite class. Even though that "group" is responsible for many problems, the real issues lies within the social structure of the country itself. Racism is not just brought on the country by rich white men. It is a social structure that engulfs everyone, people of color included, and unless everyone is willing to change, racism cannot go away. That works exactly the same way for all social doctrines.

Obama will also not stop US imperialism. Some of his advisers are hawks and Obama will most likely be much closer to Bill Clinton in terms of foreign policy. Just look at Obama status on the socio-economic scale. He isn't that far from any of the Republicans including Bush and McCain.

Another thing is that even if Obama is pure, he will have a hard time working with congress if they are corrupt and no one is doing shit to change that as shown by other threads on this forum.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I'm not a cynic. I just don't believe that a US president will change anything. If there is going to be change, the US population will have to stand up and take matters into their own hands.

Just by looking at Obama's key phrase you can see it. Change does not happen overnight. Change cannot happen from a small group of individuals. Change, in the sense that is being used, is sociological movement where the the majority has to take part if it is going to be successful. One large factor that helps Obama is that many just want to blame our problems on an elite class. Even though that "group" is responsible for many problems, the real issues lies within the social structure of the country itself. Racism is not just brought on the country by rich white men. It is a social structure that engulfs everyone, people of color included, and unless everyone is willing to change, racism cannot go away. That works exactly the same way for all social doctrines.

Obama will also not stop US imperialism. Some of his advisers are hawks and Obama will most likely be much closer to Bill Clinton in terms of foreign policy. Just look at Obama status on the socio-economic scale. He isn't that far from any of the Republicans including Bush and McCain.

Another thing is that even if Obama is pure, he will have a hard time working with congress if they are corrupt and no one is doing shit to change that as shown by other threads on this forum.

A President who has a congress controlled by his own party can accomplish a lot. Bush accomplished a tremendous amount of things. None of them were good for America, but he accomplished them. He accomplished spending more than a Democrat's wet dream with a Republican controlled Congress and him rubber stamping everything. He made it through his first 6 years without a single veto.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Radar

A President who has a congress controlled by his own party can accomplish a lot. Bush accomplished a tremendous amount of things. None of them were good for America, but he accomplished them. He accomplished spending more than a Democrat's wet dream with a Republican controlled Congress and him rubber stamping everything. He made it through his first 6 years without a single veto.

It is very easy to get a bunch of children together and get a room dirty but it nearly impossible to get a different group of children together and clean it up after them.