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Old 06-06-2003, 10:02 PM   #61
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More advanced weapon, more dangerrous life

The USA is still the large weapon manufacturer. Your weapon manufacturers use high advanced teachnology. Then that make the world more dangerous. The world would come better if we all don't make so many weapon. I like the USA action movies with weapon, but I fear the real weapon. I have no safety sense when I see them.
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Old 06-07-2003, 01:57 PM   #62
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Your weapon manufacturers use high advanced teachnology.
High tech is better then the old weapons. Now we can take out the bad guy sitting next to you leaving you unharmed.
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Old 06-07-2003, 06:25 PM   #63
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Re: More advanced weapon, more dangerrous life

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The USA is still the large weapon manufacturer. Your weapon manufacturers use high advanced teachnology. Then that make the world more dangerous. The world would come better if we all don't make so many weapon.
France, Russia, Britian and US all export far more weapons than N Korea. But that misses the point. N Korea will literally export to anyone, anytime, anywhere because their economy is dependent too much on weapons sales. Those other listed nations can refuse to sell weapons based upon other considerations such as world stability.

For example, the US does not sell it most advanced weapons to Tiawan. Tiawan does not need long range stategic bombers. Even if Tiawan asks for a B-2 bomber, the US would not make that most profitable sale - because the US can operate more in the world's interests.

The US, France, Britian, etc consider more than just the sale. How that sale affects the entire world can also be considered. But N Korea must make the sale. Weapons sales are essential to an economy that has few other exportable products.

N Korea needs exportable products. But if the government is dominated by military types, then what hope do other industries have in N Korea? Little.

Long term peaceful solution is to wean N Korea off of weapons sales and into other necessary industries - be it mineral production, food production, shipbuilding, or what ever. But a nation that is mostly a weapons exporter will have great difficulty being a cooperative and peaceful member of a world community.

A military that controls most international exports has too much reason to encourage war. A country whose most powerful industries are not military is more interested in being a productive member of the world. That is N Korea's problem. Currently the wrong type of people have too much power - in part because the country is too dependent on weapons sales.
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Old 06-08-2003, 10:19 PM   #64
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Should resolve the N Korea problem

I think the N Korea would be the next Iraq if the USA would deal with this problem. It is not lucky for China and Russa. We don't hope that the USA round us and control all our neighbouring counties. Or we would have more pressure to protect our island.
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Old 06-09-2003, 07:58 PM   #65
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I think the N Korea would be the next Iraq if the USA would deal with this problem. It is not lucky for China and Russa. We don't hope that the USA round us and control all our neighbouring counties. Or we would have more pressure to protect our island.
To understand this current American government, read everything about the 40 charter members of the "Project for a New American Century". A group that decided we must attack Iraq before even George Jr was elected president. A groups that decided they wanted to recruit George Jr for US president. They advocate an international policy well beyond and different from what any previous American government advocates. This same mentality is also why the US government was talking about military action against China over the silly spy plane incident.

What American government advocates in foreign policy is not consistent with what most Americans advocated. However opinion has sharply changed among younger people since the WTC disaster. Younger public who have no idea about VietNam.

They have become a caldron for "military solutions". This is dangerous for other nations such as N Korea, Iran, Syria, France, Turkey, Pakistan, India, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philllippines, Nato, Russia, and even China. This administration has no qualms about attacking today and then asking if we were threatened tomorrow. But since George Jr will be up for relection in just over 1 year, the US military will be silent until after that election.

To understand the problem, the current administration had no knowledge of weapons of mass destuction (WMD) in Iraq. Today's Department of Defense documents make it even more obvious that this right wing, hawkish (militaristic) administration uses political rhetoric rather than international facts to justify its actions. This government is out to fix the world - whether the world wants to be fixed or not.

No American ally, with spies in Iraq, could report WMD in Iraq. We now know that even the Asst Secretary of Defense admits no such information existed. Today's Defense Department documents shows how little to zero information existed on any WMD. But younger Americans are now hyped in military fever. War will now solve any problem - an Ameircan public opinion not seen since 1960s and VietNam.

To understand where all this comes from, read about the 40 right wing extremists who founded the Project for a New American Century. That is where one will understand why American foreign relations have changed so sharply militaristic in but a few years.

N Korea has much to worry about.
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Old 06-09-2003, 08:56 PM   #66
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Billy, never forget what you read here is opinions. Opinions of the person writing that may or may not be true.
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Old 06-09-2003, 09:00 PM   #67
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tw, I recall you predicting war with China, in the mid-90s or so?
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Old 06-10-2003, 04:50 AM   #68
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I think TW's views are cool

I don't all believe what you say, but I would think it over. What you say has your reasons. You only get one apple if you exchange it with other one; you would get two thoughts if you exchange it with other.
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Old 06-10-2003, 06:21 AM   #69
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To understand the problem, the current administration had no knowledge of weapons of mass destuction (WMD) in Iraq. Today's Department of Defense documents make it even more obvious that this right wing, hawkish (militaristic) administration uses political rhetoric rather than international facts to justify its actions. This government is out to fix the world - whether the world wants to be fixed or not.

Has anyone said the magic word yet? The word for the day is impeachment. If, by some fluke, the Dems were to gain control of Congress, it would be payback time.
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Old 06-10-2003, 09:05 AM   #70
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Would that include the Dems who sat on the intelligence committee and voted for military action?
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Old 06-10-2003, 10:10 AM   #71
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The Dems are completely capable of playing both sides of the fence. Both sides can play the secret evidence game.

Valid or not, I'd like to see Congress assert itself against the imperial presidencey. I also enjoy watching the parties discredit each other. Impeachments are always about power politics, not truth seeking, but if the truth came out as a by-product it'd be to the good.
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Old 06-10-2003, 04:27 PM   #72
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Oh Griff, you just want to see a cat fight.
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Old 06-10-2003, 07:15 PM   #73
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tw, I recall you predicting war with China, in the mid-90s or so?
A prediction of war is misrepresented. A serious potential confrontation among others over ownership of the Spratley Islands was posted; including a small, largely unreported, battle. Since then, interest in unproven oil reserves has become an irrelevant event. Since then, China has taken a more serious interest in oil of the Central Asian 'stans.

I made no prediction of war. Furthermore, a potential for war was with other regional countries; not the US.

Spratley Islands were posted as an example of myopic American news reporting where even that Sprately Island confrontation was not reported. No prediction - even implied - was made of a 1990s war between China and the US. Demonstrated was a myopia in US news reports.
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Old 06-10-2003, 07:48 PM   #74
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Has anyone said the magic word yet? The word for the day is impeachment.
First Democrats must have a political agenda. That missing Democratic strategic objective contributes to loss of Democratic Congressional power.

There is no doubt that right wing Republican power brokers had a specific agenda - which included the silly, continuous investigations of Clinton. Sam Dash, assistant to Ken Starr, demonstrated the problem when he reviewed every case against Clinton from Whitewater on; recommending that every investigation be dropped for lack of any credible evidence. Investigations of Clinton were part of that political agenda.

Of course all that nonsense against Clinton was dropped after Clinton was no longer president. Clinton investigations were no longer required by right wing Republican party agenda.

To impeach George Jr, the Democrats must first define a specific political agenda. Democrats and moderate Republicans have been more interested in the nation's business and self serving legislation than to exercise a political agenda. No outright coveting of power (except by right wing Republicans) makes a George Jr impeachment all but impossible.

We have known this all along. There was no smoking gun. No reasons to justify an attack on Iraq. There was not then. And even worse, there was no evidence to even imply a smoking gun existed. This was even exposed by Sen Graham (FL) when he forced the CIA director to admit same - in weeks before Geroge Jr's UN speech last year and before the Iraq attack. Today we know the CIA direction was telling the truth. Even the CIA director conceded there was no solid evidence for WMD in Iraq. But we attacked anyway.

Two separate reasons why an attack on Iraq was unprovoked. No smoking gun - which every patriotic American demands before conceeding to war. And no evidence that those WMD even existed. So many reasons why the Iraq attack was not justified that one MUST understand the agenda of "Project for The New American Century". That agenda defines America's new opinion of all other nations. An agenda that even encouraged all those silly Clinton investigations. An agenda must also exist in the Democratic party before any George Jr impeachment is suggested. Democrats have no such agenda.

The American people currently feel that we can attack anyone we 'feel' may be a threat - an agenda promoted by the "Project for The New American Century" that should disturb Billy and his countryman. Democrats have no equivalent agenda which is why a George Jr impeachment is impossible.
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Old 06-10-2003, 09:54 PM   #75
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No reasons to justify an attack on Iraq.
None? Your getting pretty far out there.
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