Bush's Shrinking Safety Zone - Page 64

richlevy · 05-04-2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Cheney's "company" is Halliburton. Last year Halliburton sold off KBR, and is now only an oil services company and not an oil and international construction services company.

And the shareholders rejoiced mightily at the windfall, which, thanks to the Bush Administration, were taxed lightly.

Cheney should have recused himself from any decisions involving Haliburton/KBR. It should have been left to the Pentagon.

tw · 05-09-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

Estimates now put "Mission Accomplished" at another 10 years. Even the most optimistic numbers are another 6 years. Less only if Americans wake up to the realities. We didn't in Nam because we let wacko extremist propaganda create fear - those mythical Dominos. We even invaded Cambodia and made that country unstable. How long before our wackos call for attacks on Iran or Syria?

A long list of top Generals from Iraq (10+ now?), retired, and now publically blame the mental midget administration. No way around these realities. He is making messes well beyond Iraq - ... Things are that bad.

The Marines may have found a way to get out of an unwinnable conflict. They are asking to be deployed only to Afghanistan. Remember that other war where Goerge Jr / Cheney et al all but protect bin Laden? So when are we going after bin Laden? Well at least the Marines will not be fighting where they cannot win.

From the Washington Post of 9 May 2008:

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Pentagon Is Open to Moving More Marines to Afghanistan
The Marine Corps may begin shifting its major combat forces out of Iraq to focus on Afghanistan in 2009 if greater security in Iraq allows a reduction of Marines there, top Pentagon officials said yesterday.

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Adm. Michael G. Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that the proposal by the Marine Corps commandant, Gen. James Conway, to focus his force on Afghanistan -- which they rejected late last year -- could be reconsidered.

Urbane Guerrilla · 05-16-2008, 11:08 PM

The evidence remains against any interpretation that the dominoes were "mythical." China: first domino. North Vietnam: second domino. Then in very rapid succession, Laos, Cambodia, South Vietnam. Four or five dominoes (which word tw cannot spell) is validation of the domino worry: that SE Asia would fall into Communism's dark night and human wastage. Which it indeed did. For which occurrences, tw is the endless shill, while denying he's doing any such thing. He's never been able to explain how the domino theory is unjustified anyway. It suffices for him to pretend aloud that it was, but I have a clearer, better mind, and much better morals. I actually dislike dictatorships.

If there's ever a leftist totalitarian regime tw can't love, I don't know which one it is. I've thought the same of the late columnist Mary McGrory, and disapproved of her every bit as much because of it.

It's more tw's ideas that are under attack nowadays than his personality.

deadbeater · 05-23-2008, 06:01 PM

guerilla, the so called dominoes fell because the US invaded their countries as well, for what turned out to be no reason at all. Those countries got so pissed at this new attempt at imperialism from the West, they threw themselves on the (Chinese/Vietnamese) Communists' side.

Only for the USSR, the 'dominoes' became dominant in themselves, and didn't care much for Russian-brand Communism.

Iran learned very well from 'Nam. Notice how they helped the Coalition in Afghanistan by shutting out the Taliban' potential escape there; but have their cronies fight the Coalition in Iraq after Saddam fell. They realize first that it is in their interest to rid themselves of Hussein and Omar as neighbors. They then extended the war because they realized that Bush/Cheyney was looking at a reason to invade Iran from 2003 on. 'Have the brothers fight over there on enemies' turf, as opposed to having the brothers fight on our turf.' Somebody said that, someone famous...

tw · 05-24-2008, 07:16 PM

UG also forgets that under that same 'evil' government, Vietnam is now prospering as never seen before. GDP growth is puts Vietnam as one of the fastest growing nations in Asia. Another trend is so many former boat people who visit their former homeland and end up staying. Job prospects and a future are that rosy in communist Vietnam. Domino simply fell in the right direction.

Urbane Guerrilla · 06-01-2008, 01:21 AM

Tw's ever the apologist for the Communists, which is simply an indication of his amputee's grasp of the real or that which humans desire. Totalitarian government cannot help but be evil; tw never understands this because he's so incompetent both at good and evil and at the human arts of politics. He hitched his wagon to a Red Star, and can't unhitch. Very inflexible mind.

The reason Vietnam is working now is because the Vietnamese have abandoned communism, not because the Communists seized it and generated two million international refugees and two hundred fifty thousand surviving boat people. People try and float away from communist totalitarianism on rafts, tw -- never towards it. Boat people validate our entire effort, and indict those whom you love so crazily and unbelievably. I can only assume your motivations are either insane or nonhuman. I will have none of them, and am offended you still advocate such abominations.

Having abandoned communism, Vietnam prospers in spite of the cadre's maintenance of Communism as the state religion. Vietnam will be in better shape when it abandons the bad religion at all levels.

Urbane Guerrilla · 06-01-2008, 01:26 AM

Deadbeater, Laos is still communist, and still totally screwed up. American bombing of communists in Cambodia, communists in Laos, and communists in South Vietnam did not collapse these nations, only the invasion by totalitarians did. No totalitarian invasion, no falls -- that follows. After invasions by totalitarians, falls into ruin, everywhere I've mentioned. Those nations that have abandoned communism now prosper again. They didn't while the Communists practiced communism upon the population. These things are matters of record, deadbeater, which records you're not reading. Why is that? I can imagine, but it's very much not to your credit.

Urbane Guerrilla · 06-01-2008, 01:29 AM

Summary of Bush's actual record -- and of who'd rather it were otherwise.

headsplice · 06-03-2008, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Summary of Bush's actual record -- and of who'd rather it were otherwise.

World Net Daily? I call shenanigans...

xoxoxoBruce · 06-03-2008, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

American bombing of communists in Cambodia, communists in Laos, and communists in South Vietnam did not collapse these nations, only the invasion by totalitarians did. No totalitarian invasion, no falls -- that follows. After invasions by totalitarians, falls into ruin, everywhere I've mentioned. Those nations that have abandoned communism now prosper again.

More proof we can't force it on them, the people have to want it.

headsplice · 06-04-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Deadbeater, Laos is still communist, and still totally screwed up. American bombing of communists in Cambodia, communists in Laos, and communists in South Vietnam did not collapse these nations, only the invasion by totalitarians did. No totalitarian invasion, no falls -- that follows. After invasions by totalitarians, falls into ruin, everywhere I've mentioned. Those nations that have abandoned communism now prosper again. They didn't while the Communists practiced communism upon the population. These things are matters of record, deadbeater, which records you're not reading. Why is that? I can imagine, but it's very much not to your credit.

Except, you know, China.

TheMercenary · 06-04-2008, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by headsplice

Except, you know, China.

Last time anyone checked the communist party was alive and well in China.

headsplice · 06-05-2008, 11:42 AM

Yup. That was, in fact, the point.

deadbeater · 06-06-2008, 07:46 PM

The stock market crashed today on bad news that can't be hidden by the government anymore. The market crashed, and, as the oil running up $11 dollars per barrel, we will soon have rises in unemployment and inflation. Way to go, Bush.

TheMercenary · 06-06-2008, 08:12 PM

This started long before Bush, he just hastened it.

05-16-2008, 11:08 PM	#948
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	The evidence remains against any interpretation that the dominoes were "mythical." China: first domino. North Vietnam: second domino. Then in very rapid succession, Laos, Cambodia, South Vietnam. Four or five dominoes (which word tw cannot spell) is validation of the domino worry: that SE Asia would fall into Communism's dark night and human wastage. Which it indeed did. For which occurrences, tw is the endless shill, while denying he's doing any such thing. He's never been able to explain how the domino theory is unjustified anyway. It suffices for him to pretend aloud that it was, but I have a clearer, better mind, and much better morals. I actually dislike dictatorships. If there's ever a leftist totalitarian regime tw can't love, I don't know which one it is. I've thought the same of the late columnist Mary McGrory, and disapproved of her every bit as much because of it. It's more tw's ideas that are under attack nowadays than his personality. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

05-23-2008, 06:01 PM	#949
deadbeater Sir Post-A-Lot Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 439	guerilla, the so called dominoes fell because the US invaded their countries as well, for what turned out to be no reason at all. Those countries got so pissed at this new attempt at imperialism from the West, they threw themselves on the (Chinese/Vietnamese) Communists' side. Only for the USSR, the 'dominoes' became dominant in themselves, and didn't care much for Russian-brand Communism. Iran learned very well from 'Nam. Notice how they helped the Coalition in Afghanistan by shutting out the Taliban' potential escape there; but have their cronies fight the Coalition in Iraq after Saddam fell. They realize first that it is in their interest to rid themselves of Hussein and Omar as neighbors. They then extended the war because they realized that Bush/Cheyney was looking at a reason to invade Iran from 2003 on. 'Have the brothers fight over there on enemies' turf, as opposed to having the brothers fight on our turf.' Somebody said that, someone famous... Last edited by deadbeater; 05-23-2008 at 06:08 PM.

06-01-2008, 01:21 AM	#951
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Tw's ever the apologist for the Communists, which is simply an indication of his amputee's grasp of the real or that which humans desire. Totalitarian government cannot help but be evil; tw never understands this because he's so incompetent both at good and evil and at the human arts of politics. He hitched his wagon to a Red Star, and can't unhitch. Very inflexible mind. The reason Vietnam is working now is because the Vietnamese have abandoned communism, not because the Communists seized it and generated two million international refugees and two hundred fifty thousand surviving boat people. People try and float away from communist totalitarianism on rafts, tw -- never towards it. Boat people validate our entire effort, and indict those whom you love so crazily and unbelievably. I can only assume your motivations are either insane or nonhuman. I will have none of them, and am offended you still advocate such abominations. Having abandoned communism, Vietnam prospers in spite of the cadre's maintenance of Communism as the state religion. Vietnam will be in better shape when it abandons the bad religion at all levels. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

06-01-2008, 01:26 AM	#952
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Deadbeater, Laos is still communist, and still totally screwed up. American bombing of communists in Cambodia, communists in Laos, and communists in South Vietnam did not collapse these nations, only the invasion by totalitarians did. No totalitarian invasion, no falls -- that follows. After invasions by totalitarians, falls into ruin, everywhere I've mentioned. Those nations that have abandoned communism now prosper again. They didn't while the Communists practiced communism upon the population. These things are matters of record, deadbeater, which records you're not reading. Why is that? I can imagine, but it's very much not to your credit. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

06-01-2008, 01:29 AM	#953
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Summary of Bush's actual record -- and of who'd rather it were otherwise. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

05-24-2008, 07:16 PM	#950
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	UG also forgets that under that same 'evil' government, Vietnam is now prospering as never seen before. GDP growth is puts Vietnam as one of the fastest growing nations in Asia. Another trend is so many former boat people who visit their former homeland and end up staying. Job prospects and a future are that rosy in communist Vietnam. Domino simply fell in the right direction.

06-05-2008, 11:42 AM	#958
headsplice Relaxed Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 676	Yup. That was, in fact, the point. __________________ Don't Panic

06-06-2008, 07:46 PM	#959
deadbeater Sir Post-A-Lot Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 439	The stock market crashed today on bad news that can't be hidden by the government anymore. The market crashed, and, as the oil running up $11 dollars per barrel, we will soon have rises in unemployment and inflation. Way to go, Bush.

06-06-2008, 08:12 PM	#960
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	This started long before Bush, he just hastened it. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

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