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warch · 07-15-2003, 05:28 PM

Another ex Mormon? The whole Mormon thing is freaky. Didnt Smith rewrite a new "inspired" bible with the help of God? that seems pretty ballsy. Whats the whole latterday saints thing? I guess I could surf around and learn this meself, but hey...

07-15-2003, 05:48 PM

http://www.religioustolerance.org - So you can find out all the fucked up stupid shit about various religions.

Griff · 07-15-2003, 05:54 PM

Ummm... I guess Susquehanna County PA has to take some credit for the Mormon movement, ... our apologies (although whatever works for you, its your life your deal, just stay off my deck). Its interesting how ugly the locals were towards the movement then and how accomodating they are now that they're established and are have some economic clout. The town of Susquehanna is positioning itself as the LDS Mecca since Smith had his visions near there. I've surveyed in the area where it all went down and there were some interesting notes about the whole thing in the deeds we researched. The Mormons went through some serious abuse to get where they are though. If you read some of their history folks were practically killing them for sport.

OnyxCougar · 07-15-2003, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by warch
Another ex Mormon? The whole Mormon thing is freaky. Didnt Smith rewrite a new "inspired" bible with the help of God? that seems pretty ballsy.

He started an inspired version, but was martyred before he could finish it. I have never seen a copy of it, but from the excerpts I've seen on ex-mormon.org, which shows King James version next to NIV next to JSR (Joseph Smith Rendition), the guy was wack. It's just not even close.

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Whats the whole latterday saints thing?

The major idea is that Joseph Smith brought about the restoration of the church through revelation as a prophet of God. All Mormons are called "Saints" and we are living in the Latter Days. Hence the name.

warch · 07-15-2003, 06:40 PM

Wow! I learned a bit from some disgruntled former mormons at http://www.utlm.org/ Yikes. Christianity it aint.

Whit · 07-15-2003, 08:21 PM

&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbspHey, anybody remember this thread? It's pretty old but I still like the fig tree and fish things. http://www.cellar.org/showthread.php?threadid=2954

Griff · 07-16-2003, 06:49 AM

There's a new book on the church by the guy who helped get those yuppies killed on Everest a while back.

Hubris Boy · 07-16-2003, 10:58 AM

[NY Times.... register.... blahblahblah]

Is it Jon Krakauer, by any chance? If so, cool. Who did he kill this time?

07-16-2003, 11:06 AM

Yeah, author of Into Thin Air. Damn good book.

Griff · 07-16-2003, 11:31 AM

Looks like he's killing American made fundies.

In the book, Mr. Krakauer examines Mormon fundamentalists, the tens of thousands of true believers living mostly in Utah who broke away from the original Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The splinter groups are the American Taliban, Mr. Krakauer says, living in desert theocracies where pubescent girls are forced into marriages with old graybeards who rule with an iron fist. These polygamous communities are against the law, but usually tolerated by officials who see a little bit of great-grandpa's pioneering ways in the modern sects.

Hubris Boy · 07-16-2003, 11:38 AM

WARNING: Blatant attempt at thread hijacking ahead

After a few minutes of reflection, I realize that that was a nasty thing to say about Mr. Krakauer. He didn't really kill anybody. At 28,000 feet, hypoxic, frostbitten and dehydrated, I'm sure he did the best he could.

If you liked Into Thin Air, you'll also enjoy Everest: Mountain Without Mercy. It's a National Geographic book written by a guy named Broughton Coburn. It's chock full of photos from the IMAX crew that happened to be on the mountain at the same time as the doomed pair of yuppie moron expeditions, and subsequently helped drag the surviving yuppies down off the mountain after half a dozen of them found out the hard way that buying a $400 Mountain Hard Wear jacket doesn't really make you a rugged, outdoorsy type.

I found my copy in the bargain bin at B&N a while back. It's worth $6.99 if you can find it.

Griff · 07-16-2003, 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by Hubris Boy
WARNING: Blatant attempt at thread hijacking ahead

After a few minutes of reflection, I realize that that was a nasty thing to say about Mr. Krakauer. He didn't really kill anybody. At 28,000 feet, hypoxic, frostbitten and dehydrated, I'm sure he did the best he could.

Sort of nasty but its my understanding that thats pretty much his own assessment. Although he may just be feeling guilty about the gobs of money he made.

07-16-2003, 12:28 PM

HB - I've already got it. It's a good one.

Another one too, of which I can't remember the name... but it's got pictures of dead people, and in vivid color. Good stuff!

BryanD · 08-07-2003, 09:20 AM

One really interesting bit to the original question is, "Did God say that?"

In college a friend made an interesting discovery in her Ancient Greek class. They used the Bible as thier translation medium at the time (Greek on the left, English on the right).

The Greek text used the words most literally translated as "Thou shalt not murder" (apparently, in Greek there is a word better suited to Murder than Kill...) but the translation we all came to read was "Thou shalt not kill".

Puts a different twist on it, eh?

joydriven · 08-07-2003, 09:49 AM

interesting thought, BryanD. and a good reminder that i need to come back here sometime and answer to warch's invitation.

07-15-2003, 05:54 PM	#33
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Ummm... I guess Susquehanna County PA has to take some credit for the Mormon movement, ... our apologies (although whatever works for you, its your life your deal, just stay off my deck). Its interesting how ugly the locals were towards the movement then and how accomodating they are now that they're established and are have some economic clout. The town of Susquehanna is positioning itself as the LDS Mecca since Smith had his visions near there. I've surveyed in the area where it all went down and there were some interesting notes about the whole thing in the deeds we researched. The Mormons went through some serious abuse to get where they are though. If you read some of their history folks were practically killing them for sport. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

07-15-2003, 08:21 PM	#36
Whit Umm ... yeah. Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 949	&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbspHey, anybody remember this thread? It's pretty old but I still like the fig tree and fish things. http://www.cellar.org/showthread.php?threadid=2954 __________________ A friend will help you move. A true friend will help you move a body.

07-16-2003, 06:49 AM	#37
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	There's a new book on the church by the guy who helped get those yuppies killed on Everest a while back. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

07-16-2003, 11:31 AM	#40
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Looks like he's killing American made fundies. In the book, Mr. Krakauer examines Mormon fundamentalists, the tens of thousands of true believers living mostly in Utah who broke away from the original Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The splinter groups are the American Taliban, Mr. Krakauer says, living in desert theocracies where pubescent girls are forced into marriages with old graybeards who rule with an iron fist. These polygamous communities are against the law, but usually tolerated by officials who see a little bit of great-grandpa's pioneering ways in the modern sects. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

07-16-2003, 11:38 AM	#41
Hubris Boy Keymaster of Gozer Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Patapsco Drainage Basin Posts: 471	WARNING: Blatant attempt at thread hijacking ahead After a few minutes of reflection, I realize that that was a nasty thing to say about Mr. Krakauer. He didn't really kill anybody. At 28,000 feet, hypoxic, frostbitten and dehydrated, I'm sure he did the best he could. If you liked <u>Into Thin Air</u>, you'll also enjoy <u>Everest: Mountain Without Mercy</u>. It's a National Geographic book written by a guy named Broughton Coburn. It's chock full of photos from the IMAX crew that happened to be on the mountain at the same time as the doomed pair of yuppie moron expeditions, and subsequently helped drag the surviving yuppies down off the mountain after half a dozen of them found out the hard way that buying a $400 Mountain Hard Wear jacket doesn't really make you a rugged, outdoorsy type. I found my copy in the bargain bin at B&N a while back. It's worth $6.99 if you can find it.

07-15-2003, 05:28 PM	#31
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Another ex Mormon? The whole Mormon thing is freaky. Didnt Smith rewrite a new "inspired" bible with the help of God? that seems pretty ballsy. Whats the whole latterday saints thing? I guess I could surf around and learn this meself, but hey...

07-15-2003, 05:48 PM	#32
dave Guest Posts: n/a	http://www.religioustolerance.org - So you can find out all the fucked up stupid shit about various religions.

07-15-2003, 06:40 PM	#35
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Wow! I learned a bit from some disgruntled former mormons at http://www.utlm.org/ Yikes. Christianity it aint.

07-16-2003, 10:58 AM	#38
Hubris Boy Keymaster of Gozer Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Patapsco Drainage Basin Posts: 471	[NY Times.... register.... blahblahblah] Is it Jon Krakauer, by any chance? If so, cool. Who did he kill this time?

07-16-2003, 11:06 AM	#39
dave Guest Posts: n/a	Yeah, author of Into Thin Air. Damn good book.

07-16-2003, 12:28 PM	#43
dave Guest Posts: n/a	HB - I've already got it. It's a good one. Another one too, of which I can't remember the name... but it's got pictures of <b>dead people</b>, and in <b>vivid color</b>. Good stuff!

08-07-2003, 09:20 AM	#44
BryanD Rouser of rabble Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 35	One really interesting bit to the original question is, "Did God say that?" In college a friend made an interesting discovery in her Ancient Greek class. They used the Bible as thier translation medium at the time (Greek on the left, English on the right). The Greek text used the words most literally translated as "Thou shalt not murder" (apparently, in Greek there is a word better suited to Murder than Kill...) but the translation we all came to read was "Thou shalt not kill". Puts a different twist on it, eh?

08-07-2003, 09:49 AM	#45
joydriven joywriting in the rock river valley Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Chicagoland area Posts: 41	reminder interesting thought, BryanD. and a good reminder that i need to come back here sometime and answer to warch's invitation.

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