Tonights Debate 15 Oct 2008

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by classicman

Actually Merc, I think they are all about the same - worthless.

The news commentators? I've seen them all. I could never put O'Reilly in that group. Compared to the others he would be considered a demoncrat.

[Pie]

ya rly

[DanaC]

lol pie that's wicked!

[glatt]

OMFG, there's dirt everywhere.

The state of Ohio has placed a lien on Joe the Plumber's property for failure to pay taxes. The guy doesn't pay his taxes. He owes Ohio $1,182.98. Does the McCain team vet anyone?

Oh, and he doesn't have a license to be a plumber.

[barefoot serpent]

Joe didn't bother with the license either.

HOLLAND, Ohio - Joe the Plumber said Thursday he doesn't have a license and doesn't need one. Joe Wurzelbacher, better known as Joe the Plumber, the nickname Republican John McCain bestowed on him during Wednesday's presidential debate, said he works for a small plumbing company that does residential work. Because he works for someone else, he doesn't need a license, he said.

But the county Wurzelbacher and his employer live in, Lucas County, requires plumbers to have licenses. Neither Wurzelbacher nor his employer are licensed there, said Cheryl Schimming of Lucas County Building Regulations, which handles plumber licenses in parts of the county outside Toledo.

Thanks to John McCain for rooting out corruption!

[BigV]

bwahahahahahaha

[BigV]

I noticed that when it came to Roe v Wade and Supreme Court Justice appointments, John McCain would not impose a "litmus test". He "is a Federalist", he believes it is a state's rights issue.

Interestingly, when it comes to laws regarding health insurance, he believes that the current system of individual states administering their own laws is inferior to the job that could be done by the Federal Government and seeks to abolish those state laws.

He has demonstrated the same ideological flexibility when it comes to the bailout of wall street too.

So, Senator, are you a Federalist only when it comes to "extreme" issues like women's health? Or are you for big government, dictating what laws the states can make about the sale of health insurance?

Hypocrite, much?

[TheMercenary]

So, basically you think his point of a person who is a small business owner making over 250k is moot, and there are plenty of guys doing that, should they just give up a bigger chunk of their hard earned income and give it to those who pay nothing. I mean on top of what they already give. I mean the bottom portion basically pay nothing now, so how do you give an income tax break to those who already pay nothing? Anyone????

[DanaC]

"The bottom portion"?

Where you drawing that line merc? Are you seriously telling me that a guy earning $75k per annum isn't currently struggling under a tax burden?

Considering how many Americans earn less than $250k, I'd be careful about labelling them a mere 'portion'.

[Pico and ME]

What I've been reading is that he would only own $900 more in taxes. How is that supposed to stop him from opening the business?

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by Pie

If Spock were running, I would vote for him.

Isn't Tuvok close enough?

"I find Senator McCain's views to be highly illogical".

[glatt]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I mean the bottom portion basically pay nothing now, so how do you give an income tax break to those who already pay nothing? Anyone????

So Obama's plan will cost nothing, by your logic.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by glatt

So Obama's plan will cost nothing, by your logic.

It won't cost a non-paying income tax earner a dime. But those who already pay the majority of the tax will get an increase. So please tell me again, how those income earners who pay nothing already will get a tax break under Obama's plan?

New data released by the IRS today offers interesting insights into the distributional spread of the federal income tax burden, new analysis by the Tax Foundation shows. The new data shows that the top-earning 25% of taxpayers (AGI over $62,068) earned 67.5% of the nation's income, but they paid more than four out of every five dollars collected by the federal income tax (86%). The top 1% of taxpayers (AGI over $364,657) earned approximately 21.2% of the nation's income (as defined by AGI), yet paid 39.4% of all federal income taxes. That means the top 1% of tax returns paid about the same amount of federal individual income taxes as the bottom 95% of tax returns.

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_b...pay-more-.html




http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/1410.html

[classicman]

I was just reading Obama's tax plan again and the site makes it seem like everyone is getting a break except for the uber rich. who only pay 2% more - The numbers just don't seem to add up. If he implements this plan along with all the other "things" he proposes, I don't see how we, as a nation, cannot go further into debt.

[TheMercenary]

Well I don't know about you, but I hear bitching and moaning about the cost of the wars followed by a grand scheme to spend more money that we don't have to bail out the financial crisis, followed by Pelosi asking for another 150 billion, which was just revised to another 300 billion. And this is following the mantra of "fiscal responsibility" that the Demoncrats got elected on? Ummmmmm ok, how? I am no math wiz but I did complete some advanced degress, but that math does not add up in the face of our all ready over burdened debt. I mean if you ran up your credit cards to the max would then get a second and then a third mortage on your house to make the next months payments? Cause that is what is seems like we are doing.

Aw hell. We could just do like Rhodesia and print more money..... It worked out well for them so far.