Anyone being affected by Proposition 8?

[TheMercenary]

I lean towards Dana's thinking on this. We never knew what we had (rights) until we began to have societal constructs such as government to restrict our freedoms. Only then were we even able to define "rights" in the sense we discuss here. The "rights" described in the Constitution are another thing which man uses to describe where government can and cannot intervene.

[jinx]

Why do we (european settlers) make restitution to the native peoples of our lands? Is it because we realize we violated their natural rights?
They certainly didn't have any rights constructed within our society.... so fuck em right?

The US constitution defines some of the rights that government may not infringe upon, and others that it may protect. It does not grant any rights.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by jinx

Why do we (european settlers) make restitution to the native peoples of our lands? Is it because we realize we violated their natural rights?
They certainly didn't have any rights constructed within our society.... so fuck em right?

The US constitution defines some of the rights that government may not infringe upon, and others that it may protect. It does not grant any rights.

One group invades another and takes what they want, including rights. The right to live in peace. The right to a heritage. The right to culture.

Did they have those rights in the first place? Were they natural, or did those things evolve as time went on into something that the people took for granted till they were no longer possible?

It's the group with the power that has the rights. Natural or otherwise, it matters not. If you have no power, you have no rights.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Radar

I could give less than a shit about your opinion, or that of other douche nozzles like classicman. Your mean nothing to me.

Well well well. At least I have enough class to dislike you while still maintaining the opinion that your opinion still matters and I recognize you have been given the right to that opinion. Lucky for you, you live in America so that you can spout your drivel. Unfortunate for the rest of us.

Originally Posted by Radar

For the record, you gave up trying to have rational discussions with anyone before you ever started having conversations, and you aren't in a position to call anyone an idiot, especially your intellectual, social, and moral superiors like me.

Bwahahhahahha - funny part is that you actually believe it. You truly are a legend in your own mind.

Originally Posted by Juniper

That was sarcasm.

He doesn't usually catch that.