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[Undertoad]

No Thomas, compared to what you're doing now, everything directed at you was pretty minor stuff. And had a point. Now you've just thrown a lot of garbage all over several threads. It looks like a hissy fit and is ridiculous. Stop it.

I do find it funny that Merc endlessly carped about a Cellar "double standard" when he was ruining threads in the beginning, and now seeks refuge under sensible moderation and somebody else is screaming double standard at him. I also find it funny that for years tw lectured about how silly it is to be provoked by the likes of Barak, and has now been rather easily provoked, to the point of tantrum.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

Don't drag me into your squabble with another poster.

The new dynamic. When you provide no facts for your doubts, then "cite" means I will return with attacks on your intelligence. Your 'calling out someone' is classic Limbaugh - the subtle mockery of another poster and not really a request for knowledge.

"Cite' without the long reason why you are confused is openly declared a personal attack. Posting without contributing additional facts to the question as you routinely do - that was what you were doing months ago when I finally put an end to it. Deja vue. You want more. Then keep it up.

It is a simple benchmark, classicman. Any request for a citation from you must include additional facts to justify your doubts. Your reign of passive aggressive attacks on others is no longer tolerated. Your every post is expected to contribute new information. Your one word 'cite' nonsense is now considered mockery of another. You want a citation? Then prove in that post that you have the knowledge or intelligence to justify that request. Limbaugh style challenges from you are now considered personal attacks.

[DanaC]

I don't care who started. I just want you to stop it.

[classicman]

Since when does asking someone to substantiate a claim require anything? tw made the claim now tw is responsible to back it up.

Since when did tw get to decide what the rules are in the cellar?

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

Since when does asking someone to substantiate a claim require anything?

Responsible posters do that routinely. You don't. You do what is typicaly of and encouraged by wacko extremist. You need clarification. Good. State why by contributing facts rather than posting personal challenges.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by tw

"Cite' without the long reason why you are confused is openly declared a personal attack.

That's bullshit. Questioning unsubstantiated statements is not a personal attack. Calling someone a turd for doing so, is a personal attack.

Your long standing habit of ignoring questions about your claims has damaged your credibility, which will cause more people to request citation... or just dismiss you as a twit.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

No UT it is not enough. We when through this exact same thing with classicman months ago. Apparently you (or someone else) gave him some very strong words about doing personal attacks. He stopped. The cellar returned to honest discussions. And now both he and TheMercenary are doing it again to multiple posters.

I only posted like TheMercenary for one day. Did that shock finally get your attention? He has been doing it for months. You only respond because my tone has changed sharply? That tone is acceptable because TheMercenary does it routinely? You banned others (ie April) for much less. Routine personal attacks are acceptable from TheMercenary UG and others? But being a teenage girl probably begging for help is not? Expect me to post attacks as the wacko extremist have been doing for years. TheMercenary says he whores out his wife (as he posted elsewhere). But the dripping gonerhea he got is now routinely in his posts. Its only acceptable from him?

Meanwhile, the wacko extremists only increased their personal attacks. That is acceptable because it is them? No. That means personal attacks are now a new Cellar standard.

I stop when the problem is solved as I did with classicman many months ago. You want me to stop. Then you next attack the problem - the personal attacks by the wacko extremists on other Cellar contributors.

FTR

[classicman]

Finally to get back on topic........

Iran renews efforts to supply Hamas

Iran has renewed efforts to supply advanced weaponry to Hamas and the IDF is concerned that the terror group will try to smuggle long-range Fajr missiles into the Gaza Strip.
According to the latest intelligence assessments, Iran, which was responsible for writing Hamas's military doctrine, has already launched an internal probe to determine how the plan it had created for Hamas failed to cause more IDF casualties.

The military plan created by the Iranians was based on three pillars: The first was the defensive measures that Hamas had created in Gaza, which included dozens of kilometers of tunnels and thousands of roadside bombs and booby-trapped homes.

The second pillar was rocket attacks against the home front. Here too, Hamas failed to fire rockets farther than 40 kilometers, even though it had planned to.

The third pillar was creating a "victory image" in the form of a burned-out tank or the abduction of an IDF soldier.

"Hamas thought it would succeed like Hizbullah did in 2006," a senior defense official said.

On Monday, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said that renewed weapons smuggling would be legitimate grounds for Israel to renew attacks against Hamas.

Following a successful pilot on Sunday, direct access from Egypt to Gaza was allowed and 10 trucks with an Egyptian donation of 198 tons of flour entered directly in to Gaza though Kerem Shalom.

Also, the Red Cross facilitated the transfer of 10 ambulances from the Palestinian Red Crescent Society in the West Bank to the Gaza Strip, in order to beef up the ambulance fleet in Gaza.

Further medical movements included 33 Palestinians that left Gaza for medical treatment in Israel.

Since the beginning of the operation, 41,937 tons of humanitarian supplies and 2,263,351 liters of fuel have been transferred to the Strip.

This just absolutely amazes me. Why does Hamas need any more weapons? I know that the same could be asked of Israel, but they have a lot more enemies. Nice to see that a lot of aid is getting into Gaza though. Especially interesting were the Palestinians who went to Israel for medical care.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Tw, you've just managed to move from "Unlikeable" to "Disgusting."

[cynthia09]

When people stop teaching their children to hate, then there will be an end to it all... But unfortunately I don't ever see that happening, the hatred is just too ingrained.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by cynthia09

When people stop teaching their children to hate, then there will be an end to it all... But unfortunately I don't ever see that happening, the hatred is just too ingrained.

Tell it to the Muslims.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Tell it to the Muslims.

Yeah. 'Cause no Jewish parents teach their children to hate.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Yeah. 'Cause no Jewish parents teach their children to hate.

I would not support that statement. Nor did I imply it.

[Undertoad]

They certainly don't teach it the way Hamas does.

[classicman]

That is so wrong on so many levels. It just shows that some people do not want peace at all. They are more interested in hate, destruction and death.