why do men kill their families? - Page 2

Cloud · 01-27-2009, 08:47 PM

yeah, geesh.

Did anyone see that recent episode of Criminal Minds where they were trying to catch a random freeway shooter before he killed his family? With the twist at the end? Creepy!

Shawnee123 · 01-27-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

They need to do way instain mother> who kill thier babbys. because these babby cant fright back?

There is something so very wrong about you.

TheMercenary · 01-27-2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

The moral of the story is: try not to marry someone that shallow.

wolf · 01-28-2009, 12:52 AM

The answer on this one, I think, has much to do with this guy being very screwed up even before he sat down and thought, "You know, I think the best thing to do here is alert the media that I'm killing my whole family and then myself." The real shame of it is that he got the order wrong.

He doesn't seem to be a sad guy who got downsized ... the article says he was fired for cause, so was his wife.

What cause? who knows at this point, probably more will come out about this. You'll have to sort through a bunch of really sad folks who are making themselves feel better by saying things like, "He was always so quiet." "Such a devoted father." "Never had a bad word to say about anyone." etc. etc. etc.

I would suspect drugs or alcohol being involved, and perhaps a long history of some kind of crazy. This stuff never really comes out of the blue. An ocean of shit has likely hit a mountain range's worth of fans over a long period of time, but it's a lot easier to abdicate responsibility than to address this kind of thing.

Clodfobble · 01-28-2009, 12:27 PM

Right, because if a coworker or neighbor says, "Yeah, everyone could tell that dude was pretty screwed up," then it's like admitting they could have done something to stop him.

Cicero · 01-28-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

The answer on this one, I think, has much to do with this guy being very screwed up even before he sat down and thought, "You know, I think the best thing to do here is alert the media that I'm killing my whole family and then myself." The real shame of it is that he got the order wrong.

He's probably had a history. Do you think?

Radar · 01-28-2009, 02:14 PM

They were working for Kaiser. My brother worked there and told me they are a totally fucked up company to work for and they will fire you for nothing. I know there IT department treats techs like they are a dime a dozen and burns them out. I had a couple of colleagues who had formerly worked there.

monster · 01-28-2009, 03:11 PM

One of our kids' lunchroom supervisors was (allegedly) murdered by her boyfriend yesterday (sometime after lunch but before she was due to pick up her daughter from k-care....).

http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/...th_of_ann.html

Cicero · 01-28-2009, 03:41 PM

A fellow contractor finally admitted to me, the burn out with the last company I was with. It was always there, but it had to be over before anyone could say it. Everyone was thinking it......It wasn't just me, everyone was internally shaking their heads, doing a face palm.

Shawnee123 · 01-28-2009, 04:25 PM

I don't think you can ever really foresee those kinds of things. Sure, the signs are there, but those signs exist in many characters we come into contact with; most don't kill their families.

An ex cow orker's wife's ex-fiancee came into her place of employment and shot himself right in front of her. She's a great person, and I think that must haunt her. Sure, she saw signs of instability that made her try to run the other way. He wanted to make sure she felt she had destroyed someone.

Just. Don't. Get. It.

tw · 01-28-2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

The answer on this one, I think, has much to do with this guy being very screwed up even before he sat down and thought, "You know, I think the best thing to do here is ...

The way I read this is that contributing factors include:
"he was fired for cause, so was his wife"
"suspect drugs or alcohol being involved"
"a long history of some kind of crazy" (ie no treatment for depression)

But the primary reasoning behind his decision might be:
"best thing to do here is alert the media" (ie get attention)
"abdicate responsibility than to address this kind of thing"

Is that a reasonable interpretation? Are there any other typical items to add to that list of possible reasons for his action?

TheMercenary · 01-28-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

The answer on this one, I think, has much to do with this guy being very screwed up even before he sat down and thought, "You know, I think the best thing to do here is alert the media that I'm killing my whole family and then myself." The real shame of it is that he got the order wrong.

He doesn't seem to be a sad guy who got downsized ... the article says he was fired for cause, so was his wife.

What cause? who knows at this point, probably more will come out about this. You'll have to sort through a bunch of really sad folks who are making themselves feel better by saying things like, "He was always so quiet." "Such a devoted father." "Never had a bad word to say about anyone." etc. etc. etc.

I would suspect drugs or alcohol being involved, and perhaps a long history of some kind of crazy. This stuff never really comes out of the blue. An ocean of shit has likely hit a mountain range's worth of fans over a long period of time, but it's a lot easier to abdicate responsibility than to address this kind of thing.

What? so it was not just because he had a penis? No way...

Cloud · 01-28-2009, 06:05 PM

why do "people" kill their families, Merc.

My question wasn't intended as a generalized man-slur, but a response to two or three highly publicized, recent occurrences of this type in which the husband/father committed the crime.

TheMercenary · 01-28-2009, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloud

why do "people" kill their families, Merc.

My question wasn't intended as a generalized man-slur, but a response to two or three highly publicized, recent occurrences of this type in which the husband/father committed the crime.

I have no idea, but I am pretty sure that I can show you that a penis had very little to do with it.

Nirvana · 01-28-2009, 06:56 PM

Whatever is wrong with the world usually involves a penis....:p

*or not

01-27-2009, 08:47 PM	#16
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	yeah, geesh. Did anyone see that recent episode of Criminal Minds where they were trying to catch a random freeway shooter before he killed his family? With the twist at the end? Creepy! __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

01-28-2009, 12:52 AM	#19
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	The answer on this one, I think, has much to do with this guy being very screwed up even before he sat down and thought, "You know, I think the best thing to do here is alert the media that I'm killing my whole family and then myself." The real shame of it is that he got the order wrong. He doesn't seem to be a sad guy who got downsized ... the article says he was fired for cause, so was his wife. What cause? who knows at this point, probably more will come out about this. You'll have to sort through a bunch of really sad folks who are making themselves feel better by saying things like, "He was always so quiet." "Such a devoted father." "Never had a bad word to say about anyone." etc. etc. etc. I would suspect drugs or alcohol being involved, and perhaps a long history of some kind of crazy. This stuff never really comes out of the blue. An ocean of shit has likely hit a mountain range's worth of fans over a long period of time, but it's a lot easier to abdicate responsibility than to address this kind of thing. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

01-28-2009, 12:27 PM	#20
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Right, because if a coworker or neighbor says, "Yeah, everyone could tell that dude was pretty screwed up," then it's like admitting they could have done something to stop him. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

01-28-2009, 02:14 PM	#22
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	They were working for Kaiser. My brother worked there and told me they are a totally fucked up company to work for and they will fire you for nothing. I know there IT department treats techs like they are a dime a dozen and burns them out. I had a couple of colleagues who had formerly worked there. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

01-28-2009, 03:11 PM	#23
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	One of our kids' lunchroom supervisors was (allegedly) murdered by her boyfriend yesterday (sometime after lunch but before she was due to pick up her daughter from k-care....). http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/...th_of_ann.html __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

01-28-2009, 03:41 PM	#24
Cicero Looking forward to open mic night. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,148	A fellow contractor finally admitted to me, the burn out with the last company I was with. It was always there, but it had to be over before anyone could say it. Everyone was thinking it......It wasn't just me, everyone was internally shaking their heads, doing a face palm. __________________ Show me a sane man, and I will cure him for you.- Carl Jung

01-28-2009, 04:25 PM	#25
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I don't think you can ever really foresee those kinds of things. Sure, the signs are there, but those signs exist in many characters we come into contact with; most don't kill their families. An ex cow orker's wife's ex-fiancee came into her place of employment and shot himself right in front of her. She's a great person, and I think that must haunt her. Sure, she saw signs of instability that made her try to run the other way. He wanted to make sure she felt she had destroyed someone. Just. Don't. Get. It. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

01-28-2009, 06:05 PM	#28
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	why do "people" kill their families, Merc. My question wasn't intended as a generalized man-slur, but a response to two or three highly publicized, recent occurrences of this type in which the husband/father committed the crime. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

01-28-2009, 06:56 PM	#30
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	Whatever is wrong with the world usually involves a penis....:p *or not __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

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