I'm a Birdbrain - Page 6

LUVBUGZ · 09-04-2003, 11:40 AM

Hey Els, Dagney has started a new thread called Christianity and Paganism in the Philosophy forum and asked if we might continue our conversation over there. I think it's a good idea. Also, she has posted a letter there that pretty much touches on stuff we have been discussing here. It seems to me that whoever wrote this letter has basically the same spiritual views as you. I ask that you read it when you get a chance and make any comments you have about it. It has helped me a little with my understanding of Wicca and witches and I want to see if you agree with it and where you might have differing views about it

Elspode · 09-04-2003, 04:20 PM

I'll head on over there!

LUVBUGZ · 09-06-2003, 01:33 AM

Hey Els, I'm back over here where it is safe. I just got my ass chewed over in the new Pagan Thread. It appears I have difficulty communicating w/ others. Funny, I didn't think *we* had any problem communicating. Oh well, goes to show how much I know. Anyway, I was curious how long have you been a witch? And, if any, what religion did you come from before Wicca? How often do you meet with your coven? Do you meet in the same place (like church, temple, etc.) or do you go to different places depending on what you want to "pray" about? I know you guys don't "pray", but you know what I mean.

Elspode · 09-06-2003, 02:27 AM

Don't back off shy yet, LBZ...most of the folks here on The Cellar are pretty friendly...give 'em another chance.

I wasn't really anything before following my Wiccan path. I went to just about any and all churches in my younger days, trying to figure it all out. I found Christianity to be way too hypocritical and guilt-ridden, and just didn't ring true for me, so I drifted, not quite certain about anything except science for about twenty years. My best friend since HS (1974 grad) has been a witch for about twenty years now, and I was familiar with the path through her. I sort of slowly crept into the local Pagan community, and began writing for and editing the local Pagan publication that my friend published. She and I have also played music for over thirty years together, and a lot of that is traditional Celtic and Pagan-oriented stuff. I think I mostly woke up one day and said, "Hey...I think I'm Pagan."

Then I married a witch, and she started a coven after finishing her lengthy study under another high priestess, and so I've been working with my wife as her de-facto high priest for a few years now.

Our coven meets here at our house in a room in our basement set aside for just that purpose (go back to Philosophy and click on the link there for some pics). We meet every Sunday night (nothing odd in that, it was just the most convenient night, as it turned out). And we actually *do* pray, LBZ. Prayer is just a form of energy transfer, and it works. Doesn't matter to whom or what you pray, it is the *doing* that counts and causes things to change.

Anyway, go on back to Philosophy...no one is going to bite you, and if they do, I'll holler at 'em for you.

LUVBUGZ · 09-06-2003, 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Elspode
I found Christianity to be way too hypocritical and guilt-ridden, and just didn't ring true for me, so I drifted, not quite certain about anything except science for about twenty years.

Not sure if I'm ready to enter the feeding frenzy over in Philosophy yet. I will for sure read anything you post over there though. I was just in the process of checking out your pics. Very interesting. Now I have tons of questions about all you're "graven" objects. After I finish looking at them I'll start asking, if you don't mind me doing so

About the quote above. This is exactly how I have felt about Catholicism. I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school and the whole deal about being born a sinner, and everything I do is a sin and I'm going to hell, etc. basically made me feel like crap about myself. And I still feel like crap about myself even though I don't really practice the religion anymore. I finally broke away when I got old enough and brave enough to tell my dad I wasn't going to church anymore, which by the way wasn't all that long ago. My dad's the kind of guy you don't stand up to without expecting to get your ass kicked for doing so. For example, I feel weird even talking negatively about Catholicism, like God is going to cease my breathing when I go to bed tonight and I'll end up on like the ninth level in hell. I don't really know if you care to hear all this crap, I'm sure you have your own problems to deal with, but for some reason I feel confortable talking to a complete stranger about it, well you anyway, Els. Not sure why. Maybe because I know that you don't buy into all that stuff so I don't have to worry about you passing judgement on me for expressing my views. Well, before I totally spill my guts out, I'll wait to see if you don't mind me talking to you about this stuff. I'm going to go finish checking out your pics. Talk to ya later

Oh yea, when you say you didn't believe any anything but science for awhile, you mean science like experiments, not science like Scientology (sp) right?

xoxoxoBruce · 09-06-2003, 06:04 AM

You can run but you can't hide. Bwahahahahahahaha.
Yo, BUGZ. Don't take it personal, don't make it personal. You're not stupid, after all you bailed out of Catholicism which is smart.

Posting is like standing in front of the class. There will always be somebody throwing spitballs or trying to crack you up. If someone disagrees with your post, it's just their opinion. If they link to some source, it doesn't make it true either. That depends on the source.
There are no private conversations here. That would defeat the purpose of the site, to obtain as much input as possible for you to sort through and make up your own mind.
Me and God love you. Don't you, Syc.

juju · 09-06-2003, 10:32 AM

I wasn't attacking you. I was actually trying to help out, believe it or not. Anyway, you can't escape me by going to another thread. I read them all.

Dagney · 09-06-2003, 12:20 PM

I don't think anyone was trying to 'attack' her either. (I most certainly was not. )

However, I've come to the conclusion that it's probably a Mars thing. People are misunderstanding each other left and right.

Dagney

LUVBUGZ · 09-06-2003, 01:32 PM

Well, I wasn't really trying to run and hide. I realize anything I post is open to public view or else I would just stop posting or send Els PM's instead. Yea, no one was attacking me, whatever.

I realize Juju that you have attempted to be the communication monitor in this and other threads and I appreciate you stepping in to try and help the flow of communication around here. I guess I am just more comfortable over here in the Birdbrain thread where not as many people know what were actually talking about.

Bruce, I thought we had a fairly decent communication thing going on in the Cellar and that you knew where I was coming from with my sarcasm and all. I don't know anymore maybe I was wrong.

All I can say is I realize that I have difficulty dealing with others and thought that by participating in the Cellar I could learn to do this more effectively due to the somewhat anonymous nature of a forum. If people don't like what I post then they don't have to read it and aren't forced to reply. So it boils down to the fact that I'll keep participating until UT decides that I've pissed off too many people and kicks me out.

Elspode · 09-06-2003, 03:27 PM

LBZ, what I meant was Science, as in experiments and observations, yes. Scientology is a religion that is based on...well, Science Fiction, and that is just a little too poorly underpinned for my tastes. However, it is a perfectly valid path, as is any religious path. If I expect people to accept and tolerate my path, I must accept and tolerate theirs as well, even if that means those who worship aliens from Antares or Zebras from Zimbabwe...

As always, I'll do my best to answer any questions put to me regarding my point of view and my path, so fire away whenever you've got one.

And Dag, I agree...Mars retrograde is almost as bad as Mercury retrograde when it comes to screwing up the lines of communication.

juju · 09-06-2003, 04:30 PM

I think you could probably piss on UT's lawn and he still wouldn't kick you out. He's a pretty nice guy. :)

Undertoad · 09-06-2003, 04:58 PM

The dogs, however, would be furious.

elSicomoro · 09-06-2003, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Don't you, Syc.

Nah, I hate all of you for the most part.

I like most people on the Cellar...actually, I can only think of 2 that I really don't care for. LUVBUGZ has good potential...could win the Slang Award for Most Improved Poster if she pulls it together.

OnyxCougar · 09-06-2003, 07:39 PM

Maybe I'm just used to the folks here, but I didn't see anyone "yelling" or criticizing ya, Luv. You haven't been bitched at until Dave has taken a chunk out of your ass.

Elspode · 09-06-2003, 09:11 PM

And even Dave at his most furious is usually illuminating, if you can get past being pissed off about how it is said.

Now Radar, on the other hand...

09-04-2003, 11:40 AM	#76
LUVBUGZ Not aging gracefully. Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 530	Hey Els, Dagney has started a new thread called Christianity and Paganism in the Philosophy forum and asked if we might continue our conversation over there. I think it's a good idea. Also, she has posted a letter there that pretty much touches on stuff we have been discussing here. It seems to me that whoever wrote this letter has basically the same spiritual views as you. I ask that you read it when you get a chance and make any comments you have about it. It has helped me a little with my understanding of Wicca and witches and I want to see if you agree with it and where you might have differing views about it __________________ You can't catch me...don't even try...go do something else...see ya next year. Mama Loves You Baby Girl ~ May You Rest In Peace

09-04-2003, 04:20 PM	#77
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	I'll head on over there! __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

09-06-2003, 01:33 AM	#78
LUVBUGZ Not aging gracefully. Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 530	Hey Els, I'm back over here where it is safe. I just got my ass chewed over in the new Pagan Thread. It appears I have difficulty communicating w/ others. Funny, I didn't think we had any problem communicating. Oh well, goes to show how much I know. Anyway, I was curious how long have you been a witch? And, if any, what religion did you come from before Wicca? How often do you meet with your coven? Do you meet in the same place (like church, temple, etc.) or do you go to different places depending on what you want to "pray" about? I know you guys don't "pray", but you know what I mean. __________________ You can't catch me...don't even try...go do something else...see ya next year. Mama Loves You Baby Girl ~ May You Rest In Peace

09-06-2003, 02:27 AM	#79
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Don't back off shy yet, LBZ...most of the folks here on The Cellar are pretty friendly...give 'em another chance. I wasn't really anything before following my Wiccan path. I went to just about any and all churches in my younger days, trying to figure it all out. I found Christianity to be way too hypocritical and guilt-ridden, and just didn't ring true for me, so I drifted, not quite certain about anything except science for about twenty years. My best friend since HS (1974 grad) has been a witch for about twenty years now, and I was familiar with the path through her. I sort of slowly crept into the local Pagan community, and began writing for and editing the local Pagan publication that my friend published. She and I have also played music for over thirty years together, and a lot of that is traditional Celtic and Pagan-oriented stuff. I think I mostly woke up one day and said, "Hey...I think I'm Pagan." Then I married a witch, and she started a coven after finishing her lengthy study under another high priestess, and so I've been working with my wife as her de-facto high priest for a few years now. Our coven meets here at our house in a room in our basement set aside for just that purpose (go back to Philosophy and click on the link there for some pics). We meet every Sunday night (nothing odd in that, it was just the most convenient night, as it turned out). And we actually do pray, LBZ. Prayer is just a form of energy transfer, and it works. Doesn't matter to whom or what you pray, it is the doing that counts and causes things to change. Anyway, go on back to Philosophy...no one is going to bite you, and if they do, I'll holler at 'em for you. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

09-06-2003, 06:04 AM	#81
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	You can run but you can't hide. Bwahahahahahahaha. Yo, BUGZ. Don't take it personal, don't make it personal. You're not stupid, after all you bailed out of Catholicism which is smart. Posting is like standing in front of the class. There will always be somebody throwing spitballs or trying to crack you up. If someone disagrees with your post, it's just their opinion. If they link to some source, it doesn't make it true either. That depends on the source. There are no private conversations here. That would defeat the purpose of the site, to obtain as much input as possible for you to sort through and make up your own mind. Me and God love you. Don't you, Syc. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-06-2003, 10:32 AM	#82
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	I wasn't attacking you. I was actually trying to help out, believe it or not. Anyway, you can't escape me by going to another thread. I read them all.

09-06-2003, 12:20 PM	#83
Dagney The Prodigal Brat Returneth Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: North Cackalacky Posts: 1,107	I don't think anyone was trying to 'attack' her either. (I most certainly was not. ) However, I've come to the conclusion that it's probably a Mars thing. People are misunderstanding each other left and right. Dagney __________________ The Constitution gives every American the right to make a total fool out of himself. But that doesn't mean you need to.

09-06-2003, 01:32 PM	#84
LUVBUGZ Not aging gracefully. Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 530	Well, I wasn't really trying to run and hide. I realize anything I post is open to public view or else I would just stop posting or send Els PM's instead. Yea, no one was attacking me, whatever. I realize Juju that you have attempted to be the communication monitor in this and other threads and I appreciate you stepping in to try and help the flow of communication around here. I guess I am just more comfortable over here in the Birdbrain thread where not as many people know what were actually talking about. Bruce, I thought we had a fairly decent communication thing going on in the Cellar and that you knew where I was coming from with my sarcasm and all. I don't know anymore maybe I was wrong. All I can say is I realize that I have difficulty dealing with others and thought that by participating in the Cellar I could learn to do this more effectively due to the somewhat anonymous nature of a forum. If people don't like what I post then they don't have to read it and aren't forced to reply. So it boils down to the fact that I'll keep participating until UT decides that I've pissed off too many people and kicks me out. __________________ You can't catch me...don't even try...go do something else...see ya next year. Mama Loves You Baby Girl ~ May You Rest In Peace

09-06-2003, 03:27 PM	#85
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	LBZ, what I meant was Science, as in experiments and observations, yes. Scientology is a religion that is based on...well, Science Fiction, and that is just a little too poorly underpinned for my tastes. However, it is a perfectly valid path, as is any religious path. If I expect people to accept and tolerate my path, I must accept and tolerate theirs as well, even if that means those who worship aliens from Antares or Zebras from Zimbabwe... As always, I'll do my best to answer any questions put to me regarding my point of view and my path, so fire away whenever you've got one. And Dag, I agree...Mars retrograde is almost as bad as Mercury retrograde when it comes to screwing up the lines of communication. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

09-06-2003, 04:30 PM	#86
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	I think you could probably piss on UT's lawn and he still wouldn't kick you out. He's a pretty nice guy. :)

09-06-2003, 04:58 PM	#87
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The dogs, however, would be furious.

09-06-2003, 07:39 PM	#89
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	Maybe I'm just used to the folks here, but I didn't see anyone "yelling" or criticizing ya, Luv. You haven't been bitched at until Dave has taken a chunk out of your ass. __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

09-06-2003, 09:11 PM	#90
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	And even Dave at his most furious is usually illuminating, if you can get past being pissed off about how it is said. Now Radar, on the other hand... __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

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