Obama--the grumblings

[TheMercenary]

I would say it is sensationalizing a few bad apples at the top. Their rot did not always trickle down. Only one department has had formal complaints, there are some others under investigation. So far no one has been charged. Most of the problems were in the Civil Rights Divsion as you point out or with the political appointment of Gonzales. The rest are speculative or under investigation. Don't accuse the whole department because of a few bad actors.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Don't accuse the whole department because of a few bad actors.

I am not accusing the whole department, I am accusing those "adult thinking" political appointees with "integrity" at the top.

Most wont be charge with a crime because their acts were not criminal. For the most part, with the exception of Gonzales' alleged perjury, they were violations of administrative law and department policies and procedures that results in firing. Most resigned before they could be fired. Others may face disbarment.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

I am not accusing the hold department, I am accusing those "adult thinking" political appointees at the top.

Redux: I would say that is the worst politicization of the DoJ, the one department that is supposed to enforce the law and be above politics, in our lifetime.

Every single member of the DOJ is an adult and capable of clear, concise, moral judgement.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Every single member of the DOJ is an adult and capable of clear, concise, moral judgement.

I agree, but UG seems to be of the opinion that only Republicans are "adult thinking" and have "greater integrity". That was the point of my posts. But I dont expect to respond.

but I have to laugh at how you guys keep finding a way to excuse the actions of the Bush administration.

[richlevy]

Speaking of the Justice Department....

From here

February 04, 2009
Justice Department Rehires Attorney Fired for Being Gay

Leslie Hagen has returned to her job as an attorney for the Justice Department, 10 months after she was sacked for being gay.

Despite sexual-orientation discrimination protections within the Justice Department, Hagen lost her job. Monica Goodling, senior counsel to Gonzales, was responsible for removing Hagen from her position, and after an investigation by the inspector general it was discovered that Goodling had also been instrumental in preventing Hagen from seeking a new position within the Justice Department.

In attempting to fill Hagen's open position a nationwide search was conducted by the Justice Department. Hagen herself was one of the many who applied, and after several rounds of interviews, Hagen was offered her former position. On Monday, Hagen assumed a permanent position at the department's Executive Office for U.S. Attorneys. (She had formerly worked on a yearly contract basis.)

The good news is that she went from yearly contract to permanent. The bad news is that they have still not admitted guilt and paid her legal fees.

Whatever happened to Monica Goodling?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

I agree, but UG seems to be of the opinion that only Republicans are "adult thinking" and have "greater integrity". That was the point of my posts. But I dont expect to respond.

but I have to laugh at how you guys keep finding a way to excuse the actions of the Bush administration.

Don't lump me in with that thinking. I don't think that way. I make no excuses for Bush that I can't and don't relate to any previous administration, including but not limited to Demoncrats.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by richlevy

Speaking of the Justice Department....

From here

The good news is that she went from yearly contract to permanent. The bad news is that they have still not admitted guilt and paid her legal fees.

Whatever happened to Monica Goodling?

I would guess the question is did they sue for legal fees at the time of the original complaint? Or did she just bargin with them.

Originally Posted by richlevy

Whatever happened to Monica Goodling?

For a lighter recollection of Monica and the DoJ

She was a top deputy to Ashcroft when he was AG and was the one who reportedly ordered drapes to be placed over the partially nude statue of the Spirit of Justice in the Justice Department's Great Hall where he would hold press conferences.

The press would takes pics from an angle to show Ashcroft right below her breasts or so they were accused by Monica of doing it deliberately to embarrass stuffy old Ashcroft.

And then this came out after she had the statue covered.."I hide you, babe"

http://polisat.com/ashcroft/ihideyoubabe.html

In some ways, the "cover up" was very symbolic of the Bush DoJ.

[richlevy]

I think John was just worried that people would be distracted trying to figure out which one was the bigger boob.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I would say it is sensationalizing a few bad apples at the top. Their rot did not always trickle down. Only one department has had formal complaints, there are some others under investigation. So far no one has been charged. Most of the problems were in the Civil Rights Divsion as you point out or with the political appointment of Gonzales. The rest are speculative or under investigation. Don't accuse the whole department because of a few bad actors.

Once you find the rot, you assume the whole tree is bad until you prove otherwise.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by richlevy

I think John was just worried that people would be distracted trying to figure out which one was the bigger boob.

Much to my shock and surprise, he turned out to be okay in the end...I am referring to when Gonzales and his flunky tried to get him to go along with illegal wiretapping and torture while he was whacked out from surgery.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by TGRR

Much to my shock and surprise, he turned out to be okay in the end...I am referring to when Gonzales and his flunky tried to get him to go along with illegal wiretapping and torture while he was whacked out from surgery.

Yeah, but once the decision was made after he stepped down, I didn't hear anything about him criticizing it.

I will give him props for having limits when noone else did.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by richlevy

Yeah, but once the decision was made after he stepped down, I didn't hear anything about him criticizing it.

Not his place, in his mind, I suppose. He was quitted, so he left.

Originally Posted by richlevy

I will give him props for having limits when noone else did.

Him, Russ Fiengold, Ron Paul, Chuck Hagel. That's about it.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Redux, that's because it's so hard to find adult thought among the common run of the Democrats. Once you've totted up Joe Lieberman, then who? It gets thin after that.

The stimulus is nothing other than a borrowing to cover the damage of bad borrowing, is it not? That's the overarching grounds for criticizing the stimulus bill. Doesn't sound like something to repose confidence in to me, yet remarkably large numbers of Democratic congresscritters are alllllllll for it. Somebody is NOT PAYING ATTENTION to the federal deficit, and that is the thing that debases the currency. But who's stopping the debasement of the currency?

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Redux, that's because it's so hard to find adult thought among the common run of the Democrats. Once you've totted up Joe Lieberman, then who? It gets thin after that.

Liebermann isn't a democrat.

And I was impressed with Fiengold's record, during the last 8 years of fucked up lawmaking.