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Old 02-21-2009, 11:15 AM   #1
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He's pointing out what you want to call "left" and "right" have the same result of total government control. Making a new chart from total control on one side and no government control makes more sense to me.
A guy named Jerry Pournelle did that, back in the 60s.

One axis of a cartesian plane was state control. Far left (on the graph) was no control or regulation at all, far right was utter control of every facet of life.

The vertical axis was economic. The lower end was no taxation or public services whatsoever, and the upper end was stifling taxation at every income level.

This allows you to plot yourself on the graph, and allows differentation between Stalin and Jefferson (on the "left"), and between Hitler and William Howard Taft (on the "right").
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Old 02-21-2009, 11:21 AM   #2
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That sounds like a better way to define the possibilities more accurately.
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Old 02-21-2009, 11:41 AM   #3
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Old 02-21-2009, 11:43 AM   #4
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Old 02-21-2009, 11:52 AM   #5
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Why?
Because I said it, and Flint is all butthurt with me right now.
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Old 02-21-2009, 12:12 PM   #6
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This allows you to plot yourself on the graph, and allows differentation between Stalin and Jefferson (on the "left"), and between Hitler and William Howard Taft (on the "right").
This is different but serves the same purpose.

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Old 02-21-2009, 12:15 PM   #7
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It does?
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Old 02-21-2009, 12:42 PM   #8
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It does?

Kinda. Except that "Left" and "Right" are essentially meaningless terms.

I think they're using it to describe spending, since the state control issue is already on the graph.
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Old 02-21-2009, 12:45 PM   #9
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I find it too limiting, and doesn't begin to cover the difference between a Democracy and a Republic, which is where we started.
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Old 02-21-2009, 08:04 PM   #10
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This is different but serves the same purpose.

Isn't that the Political Compass? As in, the political compass?
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Old 02-21-2009, 09:57 PM   #11
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Redux, can you find that chart you speak of? The only thing I can find is the Pournelle Chart which looks like this...Is this it?
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