I'm a Birdbrain - Page 7

juju · 09-06-2003, 10:47 PM

I think that LB is a genuinely <i>good</i> writer. I know you probably think I'm just saying that to be nice, but I'm not. It seems like she gives up a lot of herself when she writes.

Whit · 09-07-2003, 02:19 AM

      Actually Juju, I think that's the problem. She's so into whatever she's saying that any disagreement and she feels she's under attack. This leads to the round robin of "Quit attacking me!" "I'm not attacking you..." "Oh, sorry." That we've seen with Bugz in several threads. She'll be fun to have around once she lets us express our opinions without taking offense.
      Kind of like when a christian friend tried to convert me, the conversation ended after she yelled, "No matter what you say you're not changing my faith!" To which I responded, "This isn't about your faith it's about mine." (Or lack thereof) She didn't speak to me for months after that and never tried to directly convert me again. Now before anyone thinks poorly of my friend, she knows that I am open to anyone who wants to convert me to their belief system. It just hasn't happened yet. Conversion I mean. But I digress.
      What I'm saying is that Bugz needs some thicker skin. That way a lot of what has made her feel attacked would just bounce off. Other than Quzah I don't think anyone has been hard on her. And I don't think he was any harder on her than he'd be on anyone else.

xoxoxoBruce · 09-07-2003, 08:41 AM

Strange that passion can bring alienation, isolation and loneliness, usually self inflicted, because passion often spawns intolerance of those that don't share it.

LUVBUGZ · 09-07-2003, 11:42 PM

Els, I've got my first round of questions. To start with, I see you have 4 areas for the 4 elements, I also note that you are using your air (yellow) area as your eastern corner due to lack of space. So, along w/ the 4 elements, you also have north, south, east, west represented too? If so, what types of things do you have there? Are the 4 seasons incorporated into the 4 elements, or do you have seperate areas for them as well? It seems you'd need a mansion to seperate all these things, if in fact you do?

I'm gonna space out my questions so maybe it will be easier for you to just copy my post and add in your answer right after each question. Just a thought

Starting with the air area:
What do you do in the black caldron? Is it for "special" potions?

What is the powdery stuff in the gold "bowl", what do you do with it?

What do the owls symbolize?

Is that the knife you cut air with? You may have already told me, but why do you cut air again?

What do you do with the stick, or does it represent something?

What is the medal hoop thingy?

What do you call the wood thing with the "star" on it, suffering from CRS=can't remember shit, what's the "star" called, pentagram? And, what do you use the wood thingy for?

Let me know if this is more detail than you want to get into? I'll move on to the next batch of questions after I hear from you. Thanks Els for you time and info.

Elspode · 09-08-2003, 12:19 PM

Els, I've got my first round of questions. To start with, I see you have 4 areas for the 4 elements, I also note that you are using your air (yellow) area as your eastern corner due to lack of space. So, along w/ the 4 elements, you also have north, south, east, west represented too? If so, what types of things do you have there? Are the 4 seasons incorporated into the 4 elements, or do you have seperate areas for them as well? It seems you'd need a mansion to seperate all these things, if in fact you do?

***No, no mansion...just your basic suburban 1,000 square foot ranch home of the early 60's with a mostly finished basement. The four seasons are not represented specifically in the four corners, although you can infer relationships if you choose. The blue area represents Water (there's a bottle of water from the Gulf of Mexico brought back to us by a friend, a fossilized fish, a seashell, a small statue of two snowsuited children hanging the Moon, a blue candle in a crystal base and a blue battery-powered light to help us see in the darkened ritual room) the Red fire (a couple of red candles, a piece of purple granite, a Varga picture of a redheaded witchy gal, a rack of essential oils, a small crystal sculpture of a bear with a red heart, and an old pic of naked women)and the green, Earth (a large piece of gypsum crystal, a faux plant, a fossilized leaf, a crystal sphere).

Starting with the air area:
What do you do in the black caldron? Is it for "special" potions?

***The cauldron is just that...a cauldron. Cauldrons represent the womb, the vessel of creation. We use it for all kinds of things, including, sometimes, potions.

What is the powdery stuff in the gold "bowl", what do you do with it?

***Incense, which we make ourselves out of frankincense, myrrh and cinnamon. It is specifically for ritual purification. We make other incenses, including some for cleansing, healing, etc.

What do the owls symbolize?

***Owls are creatures of the air, and symbols of wisdom. The element of Air is associated with intellect, among other things.

Is that the knife you cut air with? You may have already told me, but why do you cut air again?

***Yes, that is my wife's athame. Cutting the air is not really what we do with it...it is just a saying we have to reassure people that our athames are not weapons. Athames work in much the same way as a wand, only with more emphasis. It directs our energies.

What do you do with the stick, or does it represent something?

***The stick is a wand.

What is the medal hoop thingy?

***That is called a Priestess Circlet. It is a headpiece sometimes worn by my wife during ritual symbolizing that she is the High Priestess of our coven.

What do you call the wood thing with the "star" on it, suffering from CRS=can't remember shit, what's the "star" called, pentagram? And, what do you use the wood thingy for?

***That is a pentacle, and we use it as the focal point on the altar for ritual processes. When we create the holy water and put the incense in the burner, we hold the vessel above the pentacle for a moment, then raise the vessel in honor of the God and Goddess.

Hope this has helped...

LUVBUGZ · 09-08-2003, 12:32 PM

Thank You Els

I really appreciate the time you take to answer all my "pesky" questions. I'll get my next batch ready

LUVBUGZ · 09-08-2003, 01:01 PM

Els, I just read your eloquent and heart-felt tribute to Warren. I don't know who he is, but your words compel me to find out, and I love Tom Petty who you mentioned was a close friend of his. I do have a guestion though which didn't seem appropriate to post there as I didn't want to take attention away from Warren or your thread's purpose. When referring to his contribution's made before "meeting the Reaper face to face", I was wondering are you using that as just a common phrase, or as a witch do you believe that when we die we will all "meet the reaper"?

quzah · 09-08-2003, 09:58 PM

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Originally posted by LUVBUGZ
I've always wondered about reincarnation. So, is there a set number of souls that just keep getting cycled through. If a baby is born is it a new soul or just one that has been reincarnated?

I believe that the typical though on reincarnation is that you may or may not come back as human. It's not a given. Thus, if you think about it, there really isn't any reason to create new souls.

Consider the number of animals, insects, humans, etc on the planet. Now give them each a soul. Ouch, I see all you cringing at that one. You don't like your food having a soul. Ok, ignore that, and consider this:

You die. An ant is hatched. An ant is squished. A bird cracks out of the shell. A school bus full of kids plunges into the river, killing all aboard. Not only is this horrible, but it's more newsworthy than if it had been a Greyhound full of elderly. That aside, a spider builds an egg sack...

Anyway, all digs aside, to try and put it logicly, that would work. There are tons of insects and such. Millions of things are born and die every day. You might be one of them. That's my genral understanding of how reincarnation works.

I can see where many will have a problem with this. I mean, not only does your food have a face, it has a soul.

And I'm sure most people would be appalled at the thought of coming back as a slug.

Quzah.

Elspode · 09-08-2003, 10:45 PM

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Originally posted by LUVBUGZ
Els, I just read your eloquent and heart-felt tribute to Warren. I don't know who he is, but your words compel me to find out, and I love Tom Petty who you mentioned was a close friend of his. I do have a guestion though which didn't seem appropriate to post there as I didn't want to take attention away from Warren or your thread's purpose. When referring to his contribution's made before "meeting the Reaper face to face", I was wondering are you using that as just a common phrase, or as a witch do you believe that when we die we will all "meet the reaper"?

I was just coining a phrase. It is not a personal belief of mine. I'm not quite sure what to expect when we all make that change of state some day.

I recommend Warren Zevon's music highly. Although you don't know him, you might very well be familiar with the Linda Ronstadt song "Poor Pitiful Me", which was written by Warren.

Whit · 09-08-2003, 11:03 PM

      Quzah you said a lot of things that don't make any sense to me whatsoever. I don't have any problem with the idea of my food having a soul. Why should that bother me?
      For that matter if a slugs life would help a soul develop why would it be appaling?
      Also, consider how much land has been paved over. Heck, consider how much the mosquito population suffered when New Orleans was built. A whole lot of swamp went away. I think as mankind has continued to build the numbers of critters has decreased dramaticaly. I'm just saying that sounds like a mighty big leap with that reincarnation theory. Of course it's also in the realm of pure speculation, so you can say toenail clippings contain the excess souls until they're needed and I can't say you're wrong.

      By the by, I do eat meat and I kick spiders out of the house rather than kill them. In fact, I've got one spider right outside my door that I leave alone so that he can get the mosquitos before they get in. He does me a service, so I leave him be.

LUVBUGZ · 09-08-2003, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quzah

I believe that the typical though on reincarnation is that you may or may not come back as human. It's not a given. Thus, if you think about it, there really isn't any reason to create new souls.

Consider the number of animals, insects, humans, etc on the planet. Now give them each a soul. Ouch, I see all you cringing at that one. You don't like your food having a soul. Ok, ignore that, and consider this:

You die. An ant is hatched. An ant is squished. A bird cracks out of the shell. A school bus full of kids plunges into the river, killing all aboard. Not only is this horrible, but it's more newsworthy than if it had been a Greyhound full of elderly. That aside, a spider builds an egg sack...

Anyway, all digs aside, to try and put it logicly, that would work. There are tons of insects and such. Millions of things are born and die every day. You might be one of them. That's my genral understanding of how reincarnation works.

I can see where many will have a problem with this. I mean, not only does your food have a face, it has a soul. And I'm sure most people would be appalled at the thought of coming back as a slug.

Quzah.

Hey Quzah, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm.....well......kinda, maybe......almost..... glad to see you're back. I sure got an ass-kicking while you were gone. I hadn't thought that there would be so many willing to step in where you left off:p. Of course, no one was "attacking" me, they were helping

, bless their souls. I love how you get in all the little digs, wish I could do that without getting a lecture on how to properly communicate in a forum, yadda, yadda, yadda. Anyhoo, I *personally* do not cringe at the thought of animals (fuzzy or otherwise) having souls. I sure hope they do. But, I seem to remember something in Hindu or Buddhism that each time you're reincarnated you move up the proverbial "food chain" so to speak. No offense ment towards you, you Vegan fool:p. That was sarcasim, not a personal attack on Quzah

. So, my point being that since we, you and me, are already at the human level I don't think we would come back as a slug. I like slugs, but I would hope I'm passed the slug level, assuming reincarnation exists. Oh, wait, actually I think I remember something about if you are "bad" as a human, then next time around you *do* go down a level or two depending on how "bad" you were. I really don't know if this is what reincarnationists think, but maybe someone else can shed some light on that.

LUVBUGZ · 09-08-2003, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Elspode

I was just coining a phrase. It is not a personal belief of mine. I'm not quite sure what to expect when we all make that change of state some day.

I recommend Warren Zevon's music highly. Although you don't know him, you might very well be familiar with the Linda Ronstadt song "Poor Pitiful Me", which was written by Warren.

Yes, I know that song, and I read Dave's post over there about "Werewolf in London". I know that one too, I love singing along to it. So I guess I do kinda know of him, but not about him or probably not too many other song of his. I have it on my to do list

juju · 09-08-2003, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Whit
Of course it's also in the realm of pure speculation, so you can say toenail clippings contain the excess souls until they're needed and I can't say you're wrong.

:::confused::: ... but that's not poetic ...

quzah · 09-08-2003, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Whit
Quzah you said a lot of things that don't make any sense to me whatsoever. I don't have any problem with the idea of my food having a soul. Why should that bother me?

For that matter if a slugs life would help a soul develop why would it be appaling?

A number of beliefs only grant the ability to have a sould to humans. To even consider something as "lowly" as a slug posessing said item would be unthinkable.

Furthremore, if you give the ability to have a soul to everything, then it seems like you'd at least pause for a moment to consider the effect your actions are having.

Unless of course, you feel that "lower life forms", even when given a soul, are less worthy of life than you are, in which case you'd just continue on merrily as you do now.

But what do I know. I just speculate.

Quzah.

Whit · 09-08-2003, 11:43 PM

      I was just pointing out that you seem to make a lot of odd assumptions. Like just 'cause I like burgers you seem to think I kill anything that crawls into my house. Plus slugs are kinda neat, never put salt on a single one of them. Wouldn't do that, it's not in me. My point is you really are preachy as hell no matter what you claim. You've made it perfectly clear that us meat eaters are heartless bastards on a murderous rampage. That's cool though. Just thought you should know it. Preach to me, if you make a good enough arguement I'll stop eating meat. It better be a mind blowing awesome reasoning though. I like cow.
      By the by, I figure if I'm eating it, and since I don't eat anything still alive, it's soul would've moved on by the time I'm munching away.

09-07-2003, 02:19 AM	#92
Whit Umm ... yeah. Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 949	Actually Juju, I think that's the problem. She's so into whatever she's saying that any disagreement and she feels she's under attack. This leads to the round robin of "Quit attacking me!" "I'm not attacking you..." "Oh, sorry." That we've seen with Bugz in several threads. She'll be fun to have around once she lets us express our opinions without taking offense.       Kind of like when a christian friend tried to convert me, the conversation ended after she yelled, "No matter what you say you're not changing my faith!" To which I responded, "This isn't about your faith it's about mine." (Or lack thereof) She didn't speak to me for months after that and never tried to directly convert me again. Now before anyone thinks poorly of my friend, she knows that I am open to anyone who wants to convert me to their belief system. It just hasn't happened yet. Conversion I mean. But I digress.       What I'm saying is that Bugz needs some thicker skin. That way a lot of what has made her feel attacked would just bounce off. Other than Quzah I don't think anyone has been hard on her. And I don't think he was any harder on her than he'd be on anyone else. __________________ A friend will help you move. A true friend will help you move a body.

09-07-2003, 08:41 AM	#93
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Strange that passion can bring alienation, isolation and loneliness, usually self inflicted, because passion often spawns intolerance of those that don't share it. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-07-2003, 11:42 PM	#94
LUVBUGZ Not aging gracefully. Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 530	Els, I've got my first round of questions. To start with, I see you have 4 areas for the 4 elements, I also note that you are using your air (yellow) area as your eastern corner due to lack of space. So, along w/ the 4 elements, you also have north, south, east, west represented too? If so, what types of things do you have there? Are the 4 seasons incorporated into the 4 elements, or do you have seperate areas for them as well? It seems you'd need a mansion to seperate all these things, if in fact you do? I'm gonna space out my questions so maybe it will be easier for you to just copy my post and add in your answer right after each question. Just a thought Starting with the air area: What do you do in the black caldron? Is it for "special" potions? What is the powdery stuff in the gold "bowl", what do you do with it? What do the owls symbolize? Is that the knife you cut air with? You may have already told me, but why do you cut air again? What do you do with the stick, or does it represent something? What is the medal hoop thingy? What do you call the wood thing with the "star" on it, suffering from CRS=can't remember shit, what's the "star" called, pentagram? And, what do you use the wood thingy for? Let me know if this is more detail than you want to get into? I'll move on to the next batch of questions after I hear from you. Thanks Els for you time and info. __________________ You can't catch me...don't even try...go do something else...see ya next year. Mama Loves You Baby Girl ~ May You Rest In Peace

09-08-2003, 12:19 PM	#95
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Els, I've got my first round of questions. To start with, I see you have 4 areas for the 4 elements, I also note that you are using your air (yellow) area as your eastern corner due to lack of space. So, along w/ the 4 elements, you also have north, south, east, west represented too? If so, what types of things do you have there? Are the 4 seasons incorporated into the 4 elements, or do you have seperate areas for them as well? It seems you'd need a mansion to seperate all these things, if in fact you do? *No, no mansion...just your basic suburban 1,000 square foot ranch home of the early 60's with a mostly finished basement. The four seasons are not represented specifically in the four corners, although you can infer relationships if you choose. The blue area represents Water (there's a bottle of water from the Gulf of Mexico brought back to us by a friend, a fossilized fish, a seashell, a small statue of two snowsuited children hanging the Moon, a blue candle in a crystal base and a blue battery-powered light to help us see in the darkened ritual room) the Red fire (a couple of red candles, a piece of purple granite, a Varga picture of a redheaded witchy gal, a rack of essential oils, a small crystal sculpture of a bear with a red heart, and an old pic of naked women)and the green, Earth (a large piece of gypsum crystal, a faux plant, a fossilized leaf, a crystal sphere). Starting with the air area: What do you do in the black caldron? Is it for "special" potions? The cauldron is just that...a cauldron. Cauldrons represent the womb, the vessel of creation. We use it for all kinds of things, including, sometimes, potions. What is the powdery stuff in the gold "bowl", what do you do with it? Incense, which we make ourselves out of frankincense, myrrh and cinnamon. It is specifically for ritual purification. We make other incenses, including some for cleansing, healing, etc. What do the owls symbolize? Owls are creatures of the air, and symbols of wisdom. The element of Air is associated with intellect, among other things. Is that the knife you cut air with? You may have already told me, but why do you cut air again? Yes, that is my wife's athame. Cutting the air is not really what we do with it...it is just a saying we have to reassure people that our athames are not weapons. Athames work in much the same way as a wand, only with more emphasis. It directs our energies. What do you do with the stick, or does it represent something? The stick is a wand. What is the medal hoop thingy? That is called a Priestess Circlet. It is a headpiece sometimes worn by my wife during ritual symbolizing that she is the High Priestess of our coven. What do you call the wood thing with the "star" on it, suffering from CRS=can't remember shit, what's the "star" called, pentagram? And, what do you use the wood thingy for? *That is a pentacle, and we use it as the focal point on the altar for ritual processes. When we create the holy water and put the incense in the burner, we hold the vessel above the pentacle for a moment, then raise the vessel in honor of the God and Goddess. Hope this has helped... __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

09-08-2003, 11:03 PM	#100
Whit Umm ... yeah. Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 949	Quzah you said a lot of things that don't make any sense to me whatsoever. I don't have any problem with the idea of my food having a soul. Why should that bother me?       For that matter if a slugs life would help a soul develop why would it be appaling?       Also, consider how much land has been paved over. Heck, consider how much the mosquito population suffered when New Orleans was built. A whole lot of swamp went away. I think as mankind has continued to build the numbers of critters has decreased dramaticaly. I'm just saying that sounds like a mighty big leap with that reincarnation theory. Of course it's also in the realm of pure speculation, so you can say toenail clippings contain the excess souls until they're needed and I can't say you're wrong.       By the by, I do eat meat and I kick spiders out of the house rather than kill them. In fact, I've got one spider right outside my door that I leave alone so that he can get the mosquitos before they get in. He does me a service, so I leave him be. __________________ A friend will help you move. A true friend will help you move a body.

09-06-2003, 10:47 PM	#91
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	I think that LB is a genuinely <i>good</i> writer. I know you probably think I'm just saying that to be nice, but I'm not. It seems like she gives up a lot of herself when she writes.

09-08-2003, 12:32 PM	#96
LUVBUGZ Not aging gracefully. Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 530	Thank You Els I really appreciate the time you take to answer all my "pesky" questions. I'll get my next batch ready

09-08-2003, 01:01 PM	#97
LUVBUGZ Not aging gracefully. Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 530	Els, I just read your eloquent and heart-felt tribute to Warren. I don't know who he is, but your words compel me to find out, and I love Tom Petty who you mentioned was a close friend of his. I do have a guestion though which didn't seem appropriate to post there as I didn't want to take attention away from Warren or your thread's purpose. When referring to his contribution's made before "meeting the Reaper face to face", I was wondering are you using that as just a common phrase, or as a witch do you believe that when we die we will all "meet the reaper"?

09-08-2003, 11:43 PM	#105
Whit Umm ... yeah. Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 949	I was just pointing out that you seem to make a lot of odd assumptions. Like just 'cause I like burgers you seem to think I kill anything that crawls into my house. Plus slugs are kinda neat, never put salt on a single one of them. Wouldn't do that, it's not in me. My point is you really are preachy as hell no matter what you claim. You've made it perfectly clear that us meat eaters are heartless bastards on a murderous rampage. That's cool though. Just thought you should know it. Preach to me, if you make a good enough arguement I'll stop eating meat. It better be a mind blowing awesome reasoning though. I like cow.       By the by, I figure if I'm eating it, and since I don't eat anything still alive, it's soul would've moved on by the time I'm munching away. __________________ A friend will help you move. A true friend will help you move a body.

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