I'm a Birdbrain - Page 10

juju · 09-10-2003, 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by LUVBUGZ
Say what you will juju, but do not believe I misspoke, I was simply conveying my idea.

merriam-webster.com defines misspoke as:<blockquote><i> to express (oneself) imperfectly or incorrectly</i></blockquote>Even you agreed that what you actually said makes no sense and is not what you meant. Given the mind-numbing train of thought you subjected us to when trying to think through your own words, I think it's pretty safe to say you misspoke.

It's okay, though. I personally do it all the time.

quzah · 09-10-2003, 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by Whit
Quzah, first off you put forth this notion. Nobody except Bugz actually excepted it. Hasn't really been discussed. Sorry, if you didn't read the thread.

Yeah god forbid I actaully stick to my own theory in a single thread. Perhaps I should just change my mind with every post. I mean really, why bother thinking about any ideas over any length of time? Let's all just completely change our train of thought from post to post. That way no one will have a clue as to what the fuck is going on.

Quzah.

quzah · 09-10-2003, 04:40 PM

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Originally posted by Elspode
How do we know that vegetables don't have feelings? What about all that stuff about plants having an energy field, and responding to music, and kind words?

Maybe we should all just starve and die in moral perfection

So eat fruit. Problem solved. Gee that was tough.

Quzah.

quzah · 09-10-2003, 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by bmgb
Is eating animals natural and right? IMO probably not, and certainly not for me personally. (Although I recently dated a guy who is allergic to beans and had to chuckle at the irony of that.)

Is it necessary? Not at all to the extent that it's done.

Do one's eating habits depend simply on the value they attribute to other lifeforms? Abso-fucking-lutely.

It is all about values. People eat meat because they like it and they value their desire for over the life of the animal. That's pretty much the conclusion that this thread came to.

Well at least some one other than myself knows what the fuck is happening in this thread.

Quzah.

xoxoxoBruce · 09-10-2003, 06:00 PM

Most of the animals we eat would not exist in the first place if we didn't want to eat them.

quzah · 09-10-2003, 07:29 PM

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Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Most of the animals we eat would not exist in the first place if we didn't want to eat them.

So everything is better of existing than to have never been created? I'm afraid I must disagree.

Quzah.

Elspode · 09-10-2003, 07:49 PM

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Originally posted by quzah

So eat fruit. Problem solved. Gee that was tough.

Quzah.

What, fruit isn't a part of plants? What if that is the moral equivalent of just eating a little bit of the cow and letting it go on living as an amputee?

In case it isn't clear, I'm not taking this thread at all seriously. If I was, I would say something in agreement with the omnivore thing, and that soul doesn't enter into the whole thing. Humans are animals. I think we prove that every day. Animals have to eat. If animals have souls, then they go where they are supposed to and do what they should, whether we eat them, they die of old age, or end up sticking out of the grille of a Buick.

We as humans are supposed to be above animals, because we are rational beings...hah! War is rational? Mass consumption of natural resources while spewing pollution into our own environment is rational? I could go on, but why? We aren't even as smart *as* most animals when it comes to trying to live in balance with our world, and they eat each other all the time.

Therefore, since animals are smarter than I am anyway, who am I to try and behave differently? (back to not taking it seriously again).

elSicomoro · 09-10-2003, 07:52 PM

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Originally posted by Elspode
What, fruit isn't a part of plants?

Yeah...isn't eating fruit the equivalent of stealing a child?

Elspode · 09-10-2003, 07:55 PM

Oh...and, before I forget...Quzah, thanks for the response redolent of sarcasm, and containing the obvious inference that you are intellectually and morally superior to the rest of us. I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say that being put in our places by you is both entertaining AND enlightening!

OnyxCougar · 09-10-2003, 08:29 PM

OK, So let's go one more step:

Our vegan (and lesser vegetarian) friends believe it's wrong to eat meat. Perhaps one reason is because the animal in question has a soul.

Therefore, they choose to eat vegetables, fruits, legumes, and other non-meat products of the plant variety and source.

I submit to you that plants have souls too.

Now extend your argument. Is it still ok to eat plants?

Now what do you eat?

Elspode · 09-10-2003, 08:32 PM

This is gonna be fun!

juju · 09-10-2003, 08:35 PM

I was told by a very smart anthropologist professor that fruit co-evolved with primates as a seed-dispersal mechanism. Plants help us, we help them, and everybody's happy.

LUVBUGZ · 09-10-2003, 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by juju
merriam-webster.com defines misspoke as:<blockquote><i> to express (oneself) imperfectly or incorrectly</i></blockquote>Even you agreed that what you actually said makes no sense and is not what you meant. Given the mind-numbing train of thought you subjected us to when trying to think through your own words, I think it's pretty safe to say you misspoke.

It's okay, though. I personally do it all the time.

Thank you for the def. juju, it appears I misspoke after all

LUVBUGZ · 09-10-2003, 08:49 PM

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Originally posted by juju
I was told by a very smart anthropologist professor that fruit co-evolved with primates as a seed-dispersal mechanism. Plants help us, we help them, and everybody's happy.

This is a good point, juju. I agree.

Elspode · 09-10-2003, 08:58 PM

So, as man evolved in harmony with nature, before becoming civilized, we became carnivorous, and helped nature by thinning the herd.

Now that we are no longer in ecological balance with the planet, we must develop and maintain our own herds, much as we must plant our own orchards and fields of vegetables.

Again, a sort of harmony, no?

09-10-2003, 06:00 PM	#140
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Most of the animals we eat would not exist in the first place if we didn't want to eat them. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-10-2003, 07:55 PM	#144
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Oh...and, before I forget...Quzah, thanks for the response redolent of sarcasm, and containing the obvious inference that you are intellectually and morally superior to the rest of us. I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say that being put in our places by you is both entertaining AND enlightening! __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

09-10-2003, 08:29 PM	#145
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	OK, So let's go one more step: Our vegan (and lesser vegetarian) friends believe it's wrong to eat meat. Perhaps one reason is because the animal in question has a soul. Therefore, they choose to eat vegetables, fruits, legumes, and other non-meat products of the plant variety and source. I submit to you that plants have souls too. Now extend your argument. Is it still ok to eat plants? Now what do you eat? __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

09-10-2003, 08:32 PM	#146
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	This is gonna be fun! __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

09-10-2003, 08:58 PM	#150
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	So, as man evolved in harmony with nature, before becoming civilized, we became carnivorous, and helped nature by thinning the herd. Now that we are no longer in ecological balance with the planet, we must develop and maintain our own herds, much as we must plant our own orchards and fields of vegetables. Again, a sort of harmony, no? __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

09-10-2003, 08:35 PM	#147
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	I was told by a very smart anthropologist professor that fruit co-evolved with primates as a seed-dispersal mechanism. Plants help us, we help them, and everybody's happy.

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