societal advances smackdown (0-1750 AD vs 1751 AD- present) - Page 5

DanaC · 03-18-2009, 03:35 AM

The tech tree was always my favourite bit of Civ. I used to love that.

Even though it involved lots of disk swapping on the Amiga...

My ex was very impressed with Civ 4. Hey UT, did you ever try that add on for civ 4?

Undertoad · 03-18-2009, 09:54 AM

One of them: I play a lot of Civ 4:Colonization now (it's just natural for us merkins). I have yet to beat the King's armies but it's fun anyway.

piercehawkeye45 · 03-18-2009, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Bullshit, they were just the rudimentary beginnings of all those sciences, stuff we teach grade school kids. They were far from developing the sciences we have even though they named them. Their biggest shortcoming is they only shared their knowledge with a few of their fellow noble class students, that's why when the libraries were lost the knowledge was lost, except the stuff people were using.

The base of the knowledge might have been rudimentary but some of the applications were extremely complex. Most graders can understand the basic concept of Force = Mass * Acceleration but no third grader can understand some of the very complex applications of it.

Undertoad · 03-18-2009, 12:56 PM

The ones who have been paddled can understand it.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-19-2009, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop

I don't know, those things sound an awful lot like chemistry to me.

I believe you, but they sound like the rudimentary foundations of chemistry as a science, which was much later to become a useful tool of mankind, to me.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-19-2009, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

The base of the knowledge might have been rudimentary but some of the applications were extremely complex. Most graders can understand the basic concept of Force = Mass * Acceleration but no third grader can understand some of the very complex applications of it.

Third grader? Where did you come up with third grader? I spit on your third grader's soul. :p

sugarpop · 03-19-2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I believe you, but they sound like the rudimentary foundations of chemistry as a science, which was much later to become a useful tool of mankind, to me.

OK, I'll give you the chemistry, but not the other things I mentioned. there. You won. :p

dar512 · 03-19-2009, 02:42 PM

Chemistry (and all the other sciences for that matter) could never have been developed without the Arabic number system. Can you imagine doing logarithms in Roman numerals?

Other developments may be more spectacular, but the Arabic system and the invention of the zero are the most fundamental.

glatt · 03-19-2009, 03:02 PM

Without agriculture, none of it could have been done, because all those mathematicians and scientists would be spending all day rolling logs over looking for grubs to eat.

lumberjim · 03-19-2009, 06:14 PM

I think it is safe to assume that the advances made lately would not have occurred had we not mastered the underlying skill or science.

If you look at it like.....the changes or improvements that have impacted our daily lives, quality of life, or lifespans.....I think I'm putting my chips on the post 1750 side of the table.

the biggest one thing I think might be in the communications area. I think bruce referred to the loss of skills or science due to non dissemination of the information.

piercehawkeye45 · 03-19-2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Third grader? Where did you come up with third grader? I spit on your third grader's soul. :p

Haven't we all...

xoxoxoBruce · 03-20-2009, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop

OK, I'll give you the chemistry, but not the other things I mentioned. there. You won. :p

Yeah, I know your pissed we have kids graduating from High School not knowing the strategic art of war that was developed by Sun Tzu. Maybe we could make them go to summer school at West Point, between their junior and senior year, for that.

03-20-2009, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

... If you look at it like.....the changes or improvements that have impacted our daily lives, quality of life, or lifespans.....I think I'm putting my chips on the post 1750 side of the table.

the biggest one thing I think might be in the communications area. I think bruce referred to the loss of skills or science due to non dissemination of the information.

Exactly, people have even been known to sing about the concept:

[Superstar]
(Voice of Judas)
Every time I look at you I don't understand
Why you let the things you did get so out of your hand
You'd have managed better if you'd had it planned
Why'd you choose such a backward time and such a strange land?
If you'd come today you would have reached a whole nation
Israel in 4 BC had no mass communication
Don't you get me wrong - I only wanna know

where are the fnords · 03-21-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Whats an Ancient Alien?

this is the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_astronauts theory

Sundae · 03-21-2009, 02:18 PM

Ahhhh, NB - Dads used to play that every Easter. Murray Head has the voice of a tripped out angel in a dream. Thanks for the reminder.

03-19-2009, 02:42 PM	#68
dar512 dar512 is now Pete Zicato Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago suburb Posts: 4,968	Chemistry (and all the other sciences for that matter) could never have been developed without the Arabic number system. Can you imagine doing logarithms in Roman numerals? Other developments may be more spectacular, but the Arabic system and the invention of the zero are the most fundamental. __________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." -- Friedrich Schiller

03-19-2009, 06:14 PM	#70
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	I think it is safe to assume that the advances made lately would not have occurred had we not mastered the underlying skill or science. If you look at it like.....the changes or improvements that have impacted our daily lives, quality of life, or lifespans.....I think I'm putting my chips on the post 1750 side of the table. the biggest one thing I think might be in the communications area. I think bruce referred to the loss of skills or science due to non dissemination of the information. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

03-21-2009, 02:18 PM	#75
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Ahhhh, NB - Dads used to play that every Easter. Murray Head has the voice of a tripped out angel in a dream. Thanks for the reminder. __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

03-18-2009, 03:35 AM	#61
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	The tech tree was always my favourite bit of Civ. I used to love that. Even though it involved lots of disk swapping on the Amiga... My ex was very impressed with Civ 4. Hey UT, did you ever try that add on for civ 4?

03-18-2009, 09:54 AM	#62
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	One of them: I play a lot of Civ 4:Colonization now (it's just natural for us merkins). I have yet to beat the King's armies but it's fun anyway.

03-18-2009, 12:56 PM	#64
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The ones who have been paddled can understand it.

03-19-2009, 03:02 PM	#69
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Without agriculture, none of it could have been done, because all those mathematicians and scientists would be spending all day rolling logs over looking for grubs to eat.

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