What do you hear when people say freedom? - Page 5

Shawnee123 · 02-21-2009, 12:20 PM

At what point was he successful? He had the possession in his hands, then got his head blown off? What's the statute of limitations on success?

xoxoxoBruce · 02-21-2009, 12:30 PM

He was successful in doing what he set out to do.
Then he gets his head blown off, or other people find out and refuse to associate with him, or what he took has a curse on it, etc.

That is why henry quirk's simple views are invalid. Nothing is that simple, there are always repercussions.

Shawnee123 · 02-21-2009, 12:35 PM

I see your point.

But say henry quirk steals a pack of gum from joe's desk. Joe had forgotten he had that pack of gum; he never notices. henry quirk chews the gum, doesn't get any kind of strange illness, the wrappers don't clog up the garbage system, the gum biodegrades either inside or outside henry quirk...the world goes on and henry quirk dies of lyme disease related not to gum but to a camping trip he had gone on.

Short of eternal hellfire, there are no repercussions.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-21-2009, 12:42 PM

Until his apparent success spurs him to bigger and better crimes for which he pays dearly.

or

Until he brags of his success to his wife during pillow talk and she refuses to ever have sex with him again.

Shawnee123 · 02-21-2009, 12:43 PM

lol

"You LIED to me. You said you bought that gum with your own money. I can never trust you again. "

Cloud · 02-21-2009, 03:03 PM

I hear jets.

classicman · 02-21-2009, 03:12 PM

So there isn't any "free-gum" here?

henry quirk · 02-23-2009, 09:50 AM

"henry quirk is dead and Joe is in jail"

a false assumption...two of them, actually

first: i may not die...in fact: if i'm cunning enough, no one may die

two: assuming joe knocks me off, AND is cunning about it, my body may never be discovered

"There are always repercussions"

sure

the job of the wise criminal is to anticipate and minimize the repercussions

"Until his apparent success spurs him to bigger and better crimes for which he pays dearly"

a false assumption...the wise man possesses himself...that is: he possess the appetite, not the other way around

"henry quirk's simple views are invalid"

open your pollyanna eyes and LOOK at the world...what i describe up-thread is the way it works...always has, always will

you can dress it up anyway you like: the essential transaction is prey versus predator

choose your poison...

henry quirk · 02-23-2009, 10:10 AM

"there are different kinds of agency. Political (or historical) agency is not always open to everyone"

yes: but i'm talking about a very specific, and real, thing when i refer to 'agency'

that is: agency = the agent

the capacity for self-deliberation, self-determination, choice is integral to the individual...in fact: that capacity is synonymous with the individual

political/historical agency is another topic completely, one in keeping with that great, sometimes useful, fiction 'liberty/freedom'...

xoxoxoBruce · 02-23-2009, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry quirk

open your pollyanna eyes and LOOK at the world...what i describe up-thread is the way it works...always has, always will

No. You're trying to distill life to elements. Life will always be compounds.

henry quirk · 02-23-2009, 02:36 PM

"You're trying to distill life to elements"

not at all!

my comments are meant to clarify, not reduce

W.HI.P · 03-23-2009, 12:05 PM

murder, theft, propaganda, stupification.

henry quirk · 03-24-2009, 10:43 AM

"What do you hear when people say freedom?"

W.HI.P wrote: murder, theft, propaganda, stupification.

me: care to expand on that?

skysidhe · 03-24-2009, 10:53 AM

a non police state

1776

I can go to any church I want or not.

W.HI.P · 03-24-2009, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry quirk

"What do you hear when people say freedom?"

W.HI.P wrote: murder, theft, propaganda, stupification.

me: care to expand on that?

this thread asks a specific question.
its asking me what i hear when when people say freedom.
the first thing that comes to my mind when i hear the word freedom is the usa.
first thing that pops to my mind when mentioning the usa is murder.
the purpose of murder being theft.
propaganda is whats being pumped out of the media to cover up this theft and murder
stupification is the result of the system which is structured in a way to keep the masses stupid and powerless.

its a matter of control and power, not freedom.

02-21-2009, 12:20 PM	#61
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	At what point was he successful? He had the possession in his hands, then got his head blown off? What's the statute of limitations on success? __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

02-21-2009, 12:30 PM	#62
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	He was successful in doing what he set out to do. Then he gets his head blown off, or other people find out and refuse to associate with him, or what he took has a curse on it, etc. That is why henry quirk's simple views are invalid. Nothing is that simple, there are always repercussions. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-21-2009, 12:35 PM	#63
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I see your point. But say henry quirk steals a pack of gum from joe's desk. Joe had forgotten he had that pack of gum; he never notices. henry quirk chews the gum, doesn't get any kind of strange illness, the wrappers don't clog up the garbage system, the gum biodegrades either inside or outside henry quirk...the world goes on and henry quirk dies of lyme disease related not to gum but to a camping trip he had gone on. Short of eternal hellfire, there are no repercussions. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

02-21-2009, 12:42 PM	#64
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Until his apparent success spurs him to bigger and better crimes for which he pays dearly. or Until he brags of his success to his wife during pillow talk and she refuses to ever have sex with him again. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-21-2009, 12:43 PM	#65
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	lol "You LIED to me. You said you bought that gum with your own money. I can never trust you again. " __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

02-21-2009, 03:03 PM	#66
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	I hear jets. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

02-21-2009, 03:12 PM	#67
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	So there isn't any "free-gum" here? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

02-23-2009, 09:50 AM	#68
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	"henry quirk is dead and Joe is in jail" a false assumption...two of them, actually first: i may not die...in fact: if i'm cunning enough, no one may die two: assuming joe knocks me off, AND is cunning about it, my body may never be discovered "There are always repercussions" sure the job of the wise criminal is to anticipate and minimize the repercussions "Until his apparent success spurs him to bigger and better crimes for which he pays dearly" a false assumption...the wise man possesses himself...that is: he possess the appetite, not the other way around "henry quirk's simple views are invalid" open your pollyanna eyes and LOOK at the world...what i describe up-thread is the way it works...always has, always will you can dress it up anyway you like: the essential transaction is prey versus predator choose your poison... __________________ like the other guy sez: 'not really back, blah-blah-blah...'

02-23-2009, 10:10 AM	#69
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	"there are different kinds of agency. Political (or historical) agency is not always open to everyone" yes: but i'm talking about a very specific, and real, thing when i refer to 'agency' that is: agency = the agent the capacity for self-deliberation, self-determination, choice is integral to the individual...in fact: that capacity is synonymous with the individual political/historical agency is another topic completely, one in keeping with that great, sometimes useful, fiction 'liberty/freedom'... __________________ like the other guy sez: 'not really back, blah-blah-blah...'

02-23-2009, 02:36 PM	#71
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	"You're trying to distill life to elements" not at all! my comments are meant to clarify, not reduce __________________ like the other guy sez: 'not really back, blah-blah-blah...' Last edited by henry quirk; 02-23-2009 at 02:42 PM.

03-23-2009, 12:05 PM	#72
W.HI.P Free Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 1,513	murder, theft, propaganda, stupification. __________________ pls stfu k thx

03-24-2009, 10:43 AM	#73
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	"What do you hear when people say freedom?" W.HI.P wrote: murder, theft, propaganda, stupification. me: care to expand on that? __________________ like the other guy sez: 'not really back, blah-blah-blah...'

03-24-2009, 10:53 AM	#74
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	a non police state 1776 I can go to any church I want or not.

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)