TEA Parties

[xoxoxoBruce]

The Interstates are funded by the tax on the gas you bought, so you paid for the use.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by monster

How much did all y'all pay in Federal Taxes this year? Put your money where your mouth is! And then list what federal resources you used.

and then bitch about it if you think you didn't get your money's worth.

we paid nothing to the Feds. we couldn't believe it, but after all our other credits, we weren't even able to clain the full credit for all our children. But we still drove on the Interstates (are they federally funded?), and we were protected by federal law () and um.... well MIL from UK was thoroughly checked on entry and cleared, although apparently her flight surcharges paid for that....

So really, what's all the whingeing about? Or is it just "The Principle Of The Thing"?

It's the "I hate Obama" thing, and the "oppose Obama at every turn" thing, and the "party of NO" thing, and the "democrats and liberals are bad" thing...

[spudcon]

I attended three tea parties, and did not see all the negatives you guys are bitching about. It is about left and right abuses, and destroying our currency by printing trillions that we will never be able to pay back. When the rest of the world gets fed up, and dumps dollars, all the stimulus pork bills won't amount to 35 cents. And Hoover didn't solve the depression, neither did Roosevelt. WWII ended the depression. Raising taxes on business when we are in recession makes no sense whatsoever. If business spent like government, they'd be out of business. Oh wait, General Motors, Fannie Mae et al did spend like government, and now they get us to pay for their excesses. People making $80 an hour to make cars for people who make $15 an hour doesn't work. Queen Pelosi needing a 757 to go back and forth to California 2 or three times a week while we're in a financial crisis doesn't work either. All the tea parties are saying is, WE CAN'T AFFORD YOUR EXTRAVAGANCE! CUT GOVERNMENT SPENDING AND PORK!

[classicman]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

It's the "I hate Obama" thing, and the "oppose Obama at every turn" thing, and the "party of NO" thing, and the "democrats and liberals are bad" thing...

Stop buying into that bullshit - that is total and complete bullshit.

[xoxoxoBruce]

People making $80 an hour to make cars

That's bullshit too.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

It's the "I hate Obama" thing, and the "oppose Obama at every turn" thing, and the "party of NO" thing, and the "democrats and liberals are bad" thing...

The truth is painfull. The Democratic party needs to go to Rehab.

[monster]

[offtopic]

btw, the original tea party is where you all went wrong. Not politically, but you shoved the tea into cold saltwater and your technique hasn't changed much since. WTF? You need to pour boiling water onto the leaves. and then leave it to brew for a few minutes. it is not ok to drop a teabag in a mug of cold water and shove in in the microwave for two minutes. it is not Ok to add half-and-half to Earl Grey. c'mon, people, no wonder your ecomony is fucked -look what you did to the very foundations of society!

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[monster]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

The Interstates are funded by the tax on the gas you bought, so you paid for the use.

oh good, I'm not scrounging.

So c'mon. All y'all who hate the fed taxes -exactly how much is it you resent paying? because you sound to me like a bunch of kids whining about homework. Except that I actually have sympathy for them and your Fed taxes probably do you more good....

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

I'm also a silly leftist. I didn't jump either.
I only came along because it sounded like you were doing the Timewarp in here.

Now now now, SG, I'm positing a jump from the left. So if you don't quite stick the landing, there's a step to the right.

Shame you missed it UG. I bet you'd have had a ball.

Yeah, I'm sure I would have. I'm keeping a ear open for the next one in-county. Heck, near it.

What I Missed April 15, when American income taxes are due.

A little more from the same blogger. Links too.

And one David Atkins, writing on the Ventura County Democratic Party webpage, demonstrates how little he wants a clue. Grammatical perhaps, but I wouldn't call it intelligent.

David Atkins

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

It's the "I hate Obama" thing, and the "oppose Obama at every turn" thing, and the "party of NO" thing, and the "democrats and liberals are bad" thing...

Not as far as I can actually see and personally experience. By contrast, you're just reciting what somebody else told you to think. These people seem to figure inflation is quite bad enough without printing money to buy more.

Didn't anybody ever tell you not to pour Kool-Aid on your breakfast Sugar Pops?

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by spudcon

I attended three tea parties, and did not see all the negatives you guys are bitching about. It is about left and right abuses, and destroying our currency by printing trillions that we will never be able to pay back. When the rest of the world gets fed up, and dumps dollars, all the stimulus pork bills won't amount to 35 cents. And Hoover didn't solve the depression, neither did Roosevelt. WWII ended the depression. Raising taxes on business when we are in recession makes no sense whatsoever. If business spent like government, they'd be out of business. Oh wait, General Motors, Fannie Mae et al did spend like government, and now they get us to pay for their excesses. People making $80 an hour to make cars for people who make $15 an hour doesn't work. Queen Pelosi needing a 757 to go back and forth to California 2 or three times a week while we're in a financial crisis doesn't work either. All the tea parties are saying is, WE CAN'T AFFORD YOUR EXTRAVAGANCE! CUT GOVERNMENT SPENDING AND PORK!

My god, here it is again, blame the workers for all the bad decisions made at the top by the fucking CEOs and executives. If you took all the union workers and added up their pay, it would be less than what the executives at the top made. And ftr, they weren't making $80/hour. They were making only a few dollars more per hour than workers at Toyota. The difference is, Toyota doesn't have the health care costs and other costs that are added in when quoting the pay scale at American car companies. http://blogs.payscale.com/ask_dr_sal...3-an-hour.html

Most economists believe the reason why it took the war to really end the depression is the fact that Hoover did nothing but cut taxes, and that is exactly what the republicans want to do now, cut taxes and let the market take care of itself. In the case of Hoover, it meant the depression just kept sliding downward. The things Roosevelt did were making the economy better, but because they were done so late in the game, it took a long time for things to work. And, why do you think the war ended the depression? It's because there were JOBS.

The stimulus is investing in things that need to be done anyway. The budget is investing in things that need to be done anyway. Yes, it costs money now, but down the road, the money will pay for itself. The banks were leant money, and hopefully it will all be paid back over time, at something like 8% interest. And let's set the record straight here, a LOT of that money went out under Bush, NOT Obama.

That does not mean I agree with everything Obama is doing, because I don't. Personally, I think he should told GM they had to make electric cars, and compressed air cars, and hybrids. No more low milage cars that run solely on gas. I would have liked to see more money going to create jobs by building/fixing more infrastructure. But I do believe he is doing what he believes is in the best interests of the country, and he is a pretty smart guy. I am willing to give him a chance.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

And, why do you think the war ended the depression? It's because there were JOBS.

So you believe it was the war that finally ended the depression and not the policies of Roosevelt?

[classicman]

re: toyota, they don't have the retirees to pay yet either. and the $80hr figure is total bullshit - we rectified that right wing crap long ago.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

Personally, I think he should told GM they had to make electric cars, and compressed air cars, and hybrids. No more low milage cars that run solely on gas. I would have liked to see more money going to create jobs by building/fixing more infrastructure. But I do believe he is doing what he believes is in the best interests of the country, and he is a pretty smart guy. I am willing to give him a chance.

What about the workers!?!?!

The unions would never have supported it.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

Personally, I think he should told GM they had to make electric cars, and compressed air cars, and hybrids. No more low milage cars that run solely on gas.

yeh thats feasible Are you serious? Do you have any concept of what it would take for them to stop making what they are making and start making a product that doesn't really exist in a production ready way yet?