Impeding changes to our Health Care system

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

And our dividends are the health care, which is also the product we get as the consumers.So, if it's underfunded, a public plan devolves into a private plan without a profit motive (which would be on top of the underfunding issue for a private plan) that can't kick you out. Sounds good to me.

In your dreams...



I have seen you post on here for years. You really can't be that stupid.

You think that there is no profit motive?

You think they can't kick you out for anything"\?

You think it will not be underfunded?

You think it will me more efficient?

You think we are going to save taxpayers (shareholders) money?

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

You think that there is no profit motive

In fact, there's a spend-your-budget motive.

You think they can't kick you out for anything?

As I've said, we don't know what the final form will be, but the primary issue this is supposed to address is the practice of kicking people out when they get sick.

You think it will not be underfunded?

I don't know. I hope not. But if they have to make those choices, I want it to be based entirely on triage, and not how much the corporation gets to keep.

You think it will me more efficient?

Quite likely. Our current system is the least efficient, so there's plenty of room for improvement. Of course, the spend-your-budget motive will work against efficiency, but the tendency towards underfunding will work against that.

You think we are going to save taxpayers (shareholders) money?

I want to save patients' money, at the worst time in their lives. An overall improvement across the entire tax base, due to decreasing the reliance on ERs, would be a welcome side effect, but not the primary issue from my perspective.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

In fact, there's a spend-your-budget motive.
As I've said, we don't know what the final form will be, but the primary issue this is supposed to address is the practice of kicking people out when they get sick.
I don't know. I hope not. But if they have to make those choices, I want it to be based entirely on triage, and not how much the corporation gets to keep.Quite likely. Our current system is the least efficient, so there's plenty of room for improvement. Of course, the spend-your-budget motive will work against efficiency, but the tendency towards underfunding will work against that.
I want to save patients' money, at the worst time in their lives. An overall improvement across the entire tax base, due to decreasing the reliance on ERs, would be a welcome side effect, but not the primary issue from my perspective.

Some individuals may be saved money, because it will be paid for on the backs of many many others. There is no other way. Where do you think the hospitals are going to save the gobberment 150 billion dollars? What? you think they are just going to cut that from their income and profit? No, they will pass it on to others. NPR has done a great 2 day expose on the number of lobbyists in DC all getting their bit of pie from this bill. Be careful what you wish for. It is never as it seems.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Some individuals may be saved money, because it will be paid for on the backs of many many others.

Ummm, yeah. That's the point.

Where do you think the hospitals are going to save the gobberment 150 billion dollars? What? you think they are just going to cut that from their income and profit?

Even if there is no savings in the hospital, the insurance comanies will no longer take their cut. A big savings there.

NPR has done a great 2 day expose on the number of lobbyists in DC all getting their bit of pie from this bill. Be careful what you wish for. It is never as it seems.

I certainly don't expect any bill to make it through the lobbyists unscathed.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Even if there is no savings in the hospital, the insurance comanies will no longer take their cut.

Ok. Please explain the details of that thinking and how you think they will no longer get a cut. Thanks.

Edt: None of the bills in Congress eliminate Insuance programs or create a single payer system.