Scared of heart medicine - Page 2

Griff · 08-19-2009, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Pie

Sure. So I get a liver screening every year.

As did she.

Griff · 08-19-2009, 11:45 AM

Sorry about the hijacking Cloud. Obviously, I have a problem with over-medication just as Pie has with under-medication. We're both working off of personal experience hers good mine bad. I apologize if I came off as snippy Pie.

Good luck with your daughter.

Cloud · 08-19-2009, 01:33 PM

That's okay. I appreciate the opportunity to whine and vent.

I'll let you know what happens.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-20-2009, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff

Sorry about the hijacking Cloud. Obviously, I have a problem with over-medication just as Pie has with under-medication. We're both working off of personal experience hers good mine bad. I apologize if I came off as snippy Pie.

My best friend's father had high blood pressure at 50, mostly from a heavy meat/fat diet and crappy eating habits. So his doctor put him on drugs and he changed his eating habits significantly. Every time he'd go back to the doctor they'd check his blood pressure and say it's fine, keep taking your meds. At 60 he was on kidney dialysis.

Not once in those ten years did the doctor ever try reducing the meds to see if less would be sufficient. Nor did he ask about lifestyle changes that might come into play.

skysidhe · 08-20-2009, 06:42 AM

cloud

just wondering .....how is the statin suppose to help with the electrical current problem?

IF she isn't going to take them I found this article

http://www.all-about-lowering-choles...naturally.html

mayo clinic on w.p
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/wol...ents-and-drugs

If she is afraid maybe she could see a naturopath.

Pie · 08-20-2009, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

My best friend's father had high blood pressure at 50, mostly from a heavy meat/fat diet and crappy eating habits. So his doctor put him on drugs and he changed his eating habits significantly. Every time he'd go back to the doctor they'd check his blood pressure and say it's fine, keep taking your meds. At 60 he was on kidney dialysis.

Not once in those ten years did the doctor ever try reducing the meds to see if less would be sufficient. Nor did he ask about lifestyle changes that might come into play.

High blood pressure itself causes kidney failure.
Beta blockers have no such side effects.

correlation != causation

Cloud · 08-20-2009, 07:54 AM

skyshide--She's taking it now, but I don't know what kind of medication yet. I asked her last night, and she said, "It starts with an m . . . "

The cardiologist did say that she shouldn't have any more children. Not that she was planning to, but by implication that means she wouldn't survive another pregancy. Which is very scary.

Now, I'm just hoping she'll survive this one. She's got placenta previa going on now, too.

Yeah, I'm freaking out a little. She's off to Las Vegas to see Depeche Mode. I pulled her friend off to the side, and said, you'd better take GREAT care of her, you hear? Make her keep hydrated, make her wear tennis shoes . . .

joelnwil · 08-20-2009, 10:28 AM

I think that you need to re-evaluate your meds regularly. For example, around 1960 I was diagnosed with a thyroid deficiency. So I took thyroid regularly for about 10 years. Eventually, I decided to see what would happen if I got off the thyroid. So I reduced and eventually ended the dosage. I was just fine, and that was a long time ago.

Since then, I have had a doctor tell me that it is impossible for me to have "healed" so as not to need thyroid. The original diagnosis was wrong. Well, I know what the test results were, and the symptoms (sleeping 12-15 hours/day, among other things), so I believe that the impossible happened.

Of course, if the result of getting off the meds could have been death, I would probably not have tried it.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-20-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Pie

High blood pressure itself causes kidney failure.
Beta blockers have no such side effects.

correlation != causation

But he didn't have high blood pressure on the medication and might have not had it with less medication or from the lifestyle changes... they never bothered to check. Oh, and you're assuming Beta blockers.

TheMercenary · 08-20-2009, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloud

skyshide--She's taking it now, but I don't know what kind of medication yet. I asked her last night, and she said, "It starts with an m . . . "

The cardiologist did say that she shouldn't have any more children. Not that she was planning to, but by implication that means she wouldn't survive another pregancy. Which is very scary.

Now, I'm just hoping she'll survive this one. She's got placenta previa going on now, too.

Yeah, I'm freaking out a little. She's off to Las Vegas to see Depeche Mode. I pulled her friend off to the side, and said, you'd better take GREAT care of her, you hear? Make her keep hydrated, make her wear tennis shoes . . .

Most likely she is on an Anti-arrhythmic medication (amiodarone). She would not be on a Beta Blocker or a Anti-hypertensive. After her pregnancy she might be a canidate for Radiofrequency catheter ablation, which I have been involved in a few times which is 100% curative. Pregnancy may predispose women to the development of tachydysrhythmias where previously they were not at as much risk during the non-pregnant state. Any events of rapid heart rate, pounding in chest, faintness, LOC, chest pain, she should seek immediate medical attention. The problem can be if she does develop a prolonged tachydysrhythmia that it could put the fetus at risk. She needs to really be in tune with her body, stay hydrated, and get plenty of rest. I don't think I would take the docs word about never getting prego again, consult a high risk OB doc for the best advice.

Oh, and not taking the meds puts her fetus at risk as well as her life, she better start taking the med asap.

TheMercenary · 08-20-2009, 12:42 PM

WPW

Normal pathways of electrical conduction in yellow, WPW in white:

WPW explained:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolff-P...White_syndrome

Pie · 08-20-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

But he didn't have high blood pressure on the medication and might have not had it with less medication or from the lifestyle changes... they never bothered to check. Oh, and you're assuming Beta blockers.

So, what drug was he on? Your assumption that the drugs lead to the ESRD is also unwarranted. Merc, can you comment on the link between long-term low-level hypertension and kidney failure?
A quick web search leads to this statement on WebMD:

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Originally Posted by WebMD

How Is Kidney Disease Treated?

For patients who have high blood pressure and kidney disease, the most important treatment is to control your blood pressure. ACE inhibitor and angiotensin II receptor blocker (ARB) drugs lower blood pressure and protect the kidneys from further damage.

Cloud · 08-20-2009, 01:18 PM

Thank you, Merc. She's taking the medicine now, and she's a sensible girl, so we shall see.

TheMercenary · 08-20-2009, 01:20 PM

My understanding is that there is no causation of ESRD due to the BP medications. Although there does not seem to be a ton of info about it. Remember that drug companies will always warn about ESRD or kidney damage with certain meds that are metabolized or excreted via the renal system, I don't think I have seen a drug insert that did not have something about it.

There is one study after a quick search here:
http://ndt.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/co...act/13/12/3084

There are many causes of ESRD, infection, diabetes, etc, high blood pressure is just one of them. Plenty of people get it who don't have high bp but most all people with it also have High bp. The kidneys play an important role in the every day function of our BP.

TheMercenary · 08-20-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloud

Thank you, Merc. She's taking the medicine now, and she's a sensible girl, so we shall see.

No problem, glad to hear it, check PM.

08-19-2009, 11:45 AM	#17
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Sorry about the hijacking Cloud. Obviously, I have a problem with over-medication just as Pie has with under-medication. We're both working off of personal experience hers good mine bad. I apologize if I came off as snippy Pie. Good luck with your daughter. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-19-2009, 01:33 PM	#18
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	That's okay. I appreciate the opportunity to whine and vent. I'll let you know what happens. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

08-20-2009, 06:42 AM	#20
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	cloud just wondering .....how is the statin suppose to help with the electrical current problem? IF she isn't going to take them I found this article http://www.all-about-lowering-choles...naturally.html mayo clinic on w.p http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/wol...ents-and-drugs If she is afraid maybe she could see a naturopath. Last edited by skysidhe; 08-20-2009 at 06:56 AM. Reason: to add links I was reading

08-20-2009, 07:54 AM	#22
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	skyshide--She's taking it now, but I don't know what kind of medication yet. I asked her last night, and she said, "It starts with an m . . . " The cardiologist did say that she shouldn't have any more children. Not that she was planning to, but by implication that means she wouldn't survive another pregancy. Which is very scary. Now, I'm just hoping she'll survive this one. She's got placenta previa going on now, too. Yeah, I'm freaking out a little. She's off to Las Vegas to see Depeche Mode. I pulled her friend off to the side, and said, you'd better take GREAT care of her, you hear? Make her keep hydrated, make her wear tennis shoes . . . __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

08-20-2009, 12:42 PM	#26
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	WPW Normal pathways of electrical conduction in yellow, WPW in white: WPW explained: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolff-P...White_syndrome __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

08-20-2009, 10:28 AM	#23
joelnwil Major Inhabitant Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Silver Spring MD Posts: 128	I think that you need to re-evaluate your meds regularly. For example, around 1960 I was diagnosed with a thyroid deficiency. So I took thyroid regularly for about 10 years. Eventually, I decided to see what would happen if I got off the thyroid. So I reduced and eventually ended the dosage. I was just fine, and that was a long time ago. Since then, I have had a doctor tell me that it is impossible for me to have "healed" so as not to need thyroid. The original diagnosis was wrong. Well, I know what the test results were, and the symptoms (sleeping 12-15 hours/day, among other things), so I believe that the impossible happened. Of course, if the result of getting off the meds could have been death, I would probably not have tried it.

08-20-2009, 01:18 PM	#28
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	Thank you, Merc. She's taking the medicine now, and she's a sensible girl, so we shall see. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

08-20-2009, 01:20 PM	#29
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	My understanding is that there is no causation of ESRD due to the BP medications. Although there does not seem to be a ton of info about it. Remember that drug companies will always warn about ESRD or kidney damage with certain meds that are metabolized or excreted via the renal system, I don't think I have seen a drug insert that did not have something about it. There is one study after a quick search here: http://ndt.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/co...act/13/12/3084 There are many causes of ESRD, infection, diabetes, etc, high blood pressure is just one of them. Plenty of people get it who don't have high bp but most all people with it also have High bp. The kidneys play an important role in the every day function of our BP. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

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