The Obamanation - Page 49

sugarpop · 08-24-2009, 08:59 PM

oh, and I disagree that MSNBC is biased.

classicman · 08-24-2009, 09:39 PM

I'm not surprised.

Happy Monkey · 08-26-2009, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop

Still, I agree that a LOT of the anger out there IS because we have a black man as president, and a lot of the animosity IS race driven.

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Originally Posted by classicman

Bullshit -

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only among the uninformed/ignorant.

You can't have it both ways.

classicman · 08-26-2009, 08:33 AM

Well monkey - maybe the people you hang around are racists and biased based upon something as insignificant as another persons color, but not in my world.
Stop promoting that partisan bullshit, and yes, it's BULLSHIT.

morethanpretty · 08-26-2009, 09:56 AM

Why is it, when its the other side, its always partisan bullshit, but when its your own side, its the truth?

classicman · 08-26-2009, 11:32 AM

lol - ask yourself that question. Perhaps it will allow for some enlightenment.

Happy Monkey · 08-26-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Well monkey - maybe the people you hang around are racists and biased based upon something as insignificant as another persons color, but not in my world.
Stop promoting that partisan bullshit, and yes, it's BULLSHIT.

There isn't a lot of anger or animosity among the people I hang around, so I'm not sure where you're coming from there.

But if "a LOT of the anger out there IS because we have a black man as president, and a lot of the animosity IS race driven" "among the uninformed/ignorant", then the premise that "a LOT of the anger out there IS because we have a black man as president, and a lot of the animosity IS race driven" isn't bullshit.

ZenGum · 08-26-2009, 08:45 PM

I think the problem here is that "only among the uninformed and ignorant" could mean "only among X% of the population" where the value of X could be higher than most of us would like to admit.

That's a pretty big "only" group, by quite a lot of estimates.

richlevy · 08-26-2009, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

I'm not surprised.

I'm not going to say that MSNBC is unbiased, just that they are more credible than Fox. I'm still trying to find left wing nutjobs that MSNBC has given a platform to on par with Ann Coulter's access to Fox.

I watch Morning Joe on MSNBC with a former moderate Republican Congressman as host frequently flanked by Pat Buchanan a conservative Republican/Independent.

When Barney Frank gets to host a show on Fox with Al Gore as a guest, I'll declare them less biased.

classicman · 08-26-2009, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

There isn't a lot of anger or animosity among the people I hang around, so I'm not sure where you're coming from there.

But if

Undertoad · 08-26-2009, 10:13 PM

Rich.

When the lefty NY Times publishes conservative voices for its opinions columns, it tries hard to get the most solid thinkers it can. David Brooks, and now, Ross Douthat. That's credibility. Putting Pat Buchanan on as your token conservative means you're actually harder left, and less credible. You've chosen a voice that is A) not well representative of conservativism, B) often deeply anti-Semitic/racist and C) easily dismissed.

morethanpretty · 08-26-2009, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

lol - ask yourself that question. Perhaps it will allow for some enlightenment.

I've never made the claims you do about partisan bullshit.

classicman · 08-27-2009, 08:55 AM

That's fine. From my perspective, it is very easy to see.

Happy Monkey · 08-27-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

There isn't a lot of anger or animosity among the people I hang around, so I'm not sure where you're coming from there.

But if

You already conceded that "if" when you said a LOT of the anger out there IS because we have a black man as president, and a lot of the animosity IS race driven

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Originally Posted by classicman

among the uninformed/ignorant

classicman · 08-27-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

You already conceded that "if" when you said a LOT of the anger out there IS because we have a black man as president, and a lot of the animosity IS race driven

Incorrect, I never said that. I initially disagreed with her statement and still do. Sorry. Again, for the record - I disagree with that premise except perhaps,

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among the uninformed/ignorant

08-24-2009, 09:39 PM	#722
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I'm not surprised. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

08-26-2009, 08:33 AM	#724
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Well monkey - maybe the people you hang around are racists and biased based upon something as insignificant as another persons color, but not in my world. Stop promoting that partisan bullshit, and yes, it's BULLSHIT. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

08-26-2009, 09:56 AM	#725
morethanpretty Thats "Miss Zipper Neck" to you. Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: little town (but not the littlest) in texas Posts: 2,957	Why is it, when its the other side, its always partisan bullshit, but when its your own side, its the truth? __________________ Addicts may suck dick for coke, but love came up with the idea to put a dick in there to begin with. -Jack O'Brien

08-26-2009, 11:32 AM	#726
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	lol - ask yourself that question. Perhaps it will allow for some enlightenment. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

08-26-2009, 08:45 PM	#728
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	I think the problem here is that "only among the uninformed and ignorant" could mean "only among X% of the population" where the value of X could be higher than most of us would like to admit. That's a pretty big "only" group, by quite a lot of estimates. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

08-24-2009, 08:59 PM	#721
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	oh, and I disagree that MSNBC is biased.

08-26-2009, 10:13 PM	#731
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Rich. When the lefty NY Times publishes conservative voices for its opinions columns, it tries hard to get the most solid thinkers it can. David Brooks, and now, Ross Douthat. That's credibility. Putting Pat Buchanan on as your token conservative means you're actually harder left, and less credible. You've chosen a voice that is A) not well representative of conservativism, B) often deeply anti-Semitic/racist and C) easily dismissed.

08-27-2009, 08:55 AM	#733
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	That's fine. From my perspective, it is very easy to see. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

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