Impeding changes to our Health Care system

Happy Monkey · 09-17-2009, 12:50 PM

Read the sequence of posts. IF The Mercenary wasn't saying that VA was good, then his post was a complete non sequitur.

a) Government can't do anything right
b) Mentions VA
a) Yeah, but people who get VA earned it

It wouldn't be the first time TheMercenary responded with a non sequitur, but I like to start out assuming that responses are actually responding to the post they quote.

Radar · 09-17-2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Read the sequence of posts. IF The Mercenary wasn't saying that VA was good, then his post was a complete non sequitur.

a) Government can't do anything right
b) Mentions VA
a) Yeah, but people who get VA earned it

It wouldn't be the first time TheMercenary responded with a non sequitur, but I like to start out assuming that responses are actually responding to the post they quote.

I have a lot of friends who use the VA system and they are very happy with it. My uncle John is 82, goes there all the time. He went to the VA a couple of weeks ago with pneumonia and they fixed him right up without much of a wait, and gave him meds. He's pretty happy with it.

Although if he had money and he were paying for health insurance and he actually got sick with something serious, they'd probably drop him. They might not let him buy insurance to begin with at his age, or at least not at a rate he could afford.

jinx · 09-17-2009, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Read the sequence of posts. IF The Mercenary wasn't saying that VA was good, then his post was a complete non sequitur.

a) Government can't do anything right
b) Mentions VA
a) Yeah, but people who get VA earned it

Read it again HM.

a) Govt can't do anything right
b) sugarpop mentions that Merc works in and receives government run health care
c) Merc points out that it is earned not given out for free

If you're suggesting that "Yeah, but" is some ringing endorsement of the quality of govt run health care - you're really reaching.

Happy Monkey · 09-18-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx

c) Merc points out that it is earned not given out for free

Which is irrelevant. sugarpop said he got government run medicine, not free medicine. And sugarpop was responding to a post that the government can't run anything.

So I guess we're going with non sequitur.

TheMercenary · 09-18-2009, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Which is irrelevant. sugarpop said he got government run medicine, not free medicine. And sugarpop was responding to a post that the government can't run anything.

So I guess we're going with non sequitur.

Are you a retard?

She was speaking to when I was on active duty, I do not receive medical care from the VA. It is not free medicine. People who get medical care in the military or from the VA get it as a condition and part of a contract they make with the military. If you would like to join up and have the same benefit after you pay your dues I am sure that someone could look into that for you, if you can make the grade. It is nothing of the sort of a non sequitur. But you are starting to make me think that you have some kind of problem understanding the difference between benefits after a contractual obligation and something that people get for nothing more than popping out some group of spawn from numerous unkown babies daddies. There is a huge difference. One group gets their care for free, one gets it after the delivery of and in the performance of a mutual contractual agreement between two parties. Get it?

Happy Monkey · 09-19-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Are you a retard?

She was speaking to when I was on active duty, I do not receive medical care from the VA. It is not free medicine.

So what? The issue was government run, not whether it's free or not or socialist or not. The government runs VA, which is a health care provider.

TheMercenary · 09-19-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

So what? The issue was government run, not whether it's free or not or socialist or not. The government runs VA, which is a health care provider.

My point is that it is not free. That is how she described it. Do you understand that? Where as Medicaid is free for the recipient, and if you have no insurance and need hospitalization or emergency care you still get it, even if you can't pay for it.

sugarpop · 09-27-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

My point is that it is not free. That is how she described it. Do you understand that? Where as Medicaid is free for the recipient, and if you have no insurance and need hospitalization or emergency care you still get it, even if you can't pay for it.

NO, THIS is how I described it... "Funny you would feel that way, after working in a government-run agency for so long, and receiving government-run health care. "

And are you saying that all people (and their family members) in the military actually PAY for their health care benefits?

sugarpop · 09-27-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Are you a retard?

She was speaking to when I was on active duty, I do not receive medical care from the VA. It is not free medicine. People who get medical care in the military or from the VA get it as a condition and part of a contract they make with the military. If you would like to join up and have the same benefit after you pay your dues I am sure that someone could look into that for you, if you can make the grade. It is nothing of the sort of a non sequitur. But you are starting to make me think that you have some kind of problem understanding the difference between benefits after a contractual obligation and something that people get for nothing more than popping out some group of spawn from numerous unkown babies daddies. There is a huge difference. One group gets their care for free, one gets it after the delivery of and in the performance of a mutual contractual agreement between two parties. Get it?

Watch this... I BEG YOU. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...aroundamerica/

If you think the only people who need affordable health care are poor people popping out babies you are delusional. Everyone in this country, including you Merc, is a heartbeat away from losing everything they own because of some health disaster. In that program I listed, TWO CEOs of insurance companies said they would not be able to get insurance under the current system if they left their jobs. Nice. The truth is, insurance is great until you really need it. Because if something happens and you really DO need it, and you aren't lucky enough to work somewhere where you are pretty much guaranteed the very best insurance, the likelihood of your being dropped is very high, and then good luck finding another company to cover you at a rate you can afford.

For example, in that report, a couple of people had complications with pregnancy, and their bills were close to a million $$$ each. Could you afford to pay that if your insurance company decided they wouldn't pay it for some stupid reason (like you didn't report having acne or something equally unrelated to pregnancy)? Or what if you found out your kid was autistic? Because most insurance companies won't cover things like that. People are being forced to stay in jobs they don't like because they can't afford to lose their health insurance. Some people are having to get divorced or are being forced to stay in lower income jobs so they can get Medicaid for their children because they can't afford the coverage for certain illnesses, or they can't get coverage at all. WTF? And you support that?

And ftr, while I think those serving in the military deserve government health care, I do not believe they are any more special than anyone else in society. They do not deserve it simply because they are in the military. There are plenty of equally deserving people out there who can't afford insurance for one reason or another. People deserve treatment when they get cancer, or diabetes, or lupus, and they should not have to lose their homes (or DIE) in order to get it. Our health should not be a "for profit" item, like sneakers or corn or derivatives.

jinx · 09-18-2009, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

So I guess we're going with non sequitur.

I guess you've got a mouse in your pocket.

TheMercenary · 09-18-2009, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Read the sequence of posts. IF The Mercenary wasn't saying that VA was good, then his post was a complete non sequitur.

a) Government can't do anything right
b) Mentions VA
a) Yeah, but people who get VA earned it

It wouldn't be the first time TheMercenary responded with a non sequitur, but I like to start out assuming that responses are actually responding to the post they quote.

I never once brought the VA into the disussion, Sugarpop did that. I responded to her post that the VA was a form of socialized medicine. I did not use it to support or refute what the current system is, or is not. The VA system is like any other huge government run system, some elements work, some do not, some are good, others are not.

Happy Monkey · 09-18-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I never once brought the VA into the disussion, Sugarpop did that.

Sugarpop is b) in my quote.

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