Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize - Page 6

bluecuracao · 10-12-2009, 12:27 AM

So far as I can tell, there's me, Shawnee, and Radar who think it was.

From what I've seen in the news, Obama's diplomatic efforts thus far have already gone a long way to repairing the damage that Bush and his administration had inflicted on the world. He's been spending a lot of time overseas talking with various people, and apparently, it's made a great impression. There's really no reason I can think of not to be happy about it.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-12-2009, 01:17 AM

Haven't you heard?
When Obama went over there, they said, Look Dude, don't be greedy, it's either the Olympics or Nobel Prize, you can't have both.

Obama said, Fuck Chicago, show me the money.

Griff · 10-12-2009, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by bluecuracao

From what I've seen in the news, Obama's diplomatic efforts thus far have already gone a long way to repairing the damage that Bush and his administration had inflicted on the world.

True dat.

classicman · 10-12-2009, 07:46 AM

All of that is true and some of what Obama ha done have made positive changes in the world view. He was nominated a long time ago and that is the only issue I have. What exactly was he nominated for at that point in time, not the current one.

Shawnee123 · 10-12-2009, 07:52 AM

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Since World War II, the Peace Prize has principally been awarded to honour efforts in four main areas: arms control and disarmament, peace negotiation, democracy and human rights, and work aimed at creating a better organized and more peaceful world.

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Myth: The prize is awarded to recognize efforts for peace, human rights and democracy only after they have proven successful.

More often, the prize is awarded to encourage those who receive it to see the effort through, sometimes at critical moments

Sigh.

Please, by all means, continue

classicman · 10-12-2009, 07:56 AM

gotcha.

Shawnee123 · 10-12-2009, 08:00 AM

Undertoad · 10-12-2009, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Nobel's will posted by jinx two days ago

(the peace prize should be awarded) to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity among nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.

Radar · 10-12-2009, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

If someone would be kind enough to tell me...

Is there anyone (anyone at all) who thinks this was a good idea?

I mean, they were ripping him a new asshole on the day this was announced--and that was on NPR!

I, and many others, including the Nobel Prize committee think it was a good idea. President Obama deserved the honor for the work he's already done to promote peace throughout the world.

It not only honors the work he's done, it will keep the world's attention on him to ensure that he keeps his promises for further change in America's long failed foreign policy. It will keep President Obama's feet to the fire.

Radar · 10-12-2009, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

All of that is true and some of what Obama ha done have made positive changes in the world view. He was nominated a long time ago and that is the only issue I have. What exactly was he nominated for at that point in time, not the current one.

He was nominated in February with tons of other people, but the voting wasn't until September.

Shawnee123 · 10-12-2009, 08:23 AM

And so he has. "The most or best work..." Didn't say y'all had to like the work.

10-12-2009, 08:43 AM

While I still think it is a stretch, I can see compelling reasons for the award.

In the past, it has often been based on policies and promises rather than results and a strong case can be made that Obama's campaign promises and early policies promoted a set of values that certainly meet the objectives of the award.

I further agree with Radar that the mocking of the award by many on the right, like the cheering when Chicago lost the Olympic bid, serves no purpose other than to pander to the conservative republican base.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-12-2009, 09:16 AM

You mean the critics are playing......... wait for it.................... base-ball.

Henry · 10-12-2009, 09:20 AM

There's been as much mocking from the center and left, and I'm not sure it's true that such mockery is only disingenuous when it emits from the right. The mockery is directed at the selection committee, less so at Obama.

The squirrelly selection process exhibited by the Nobel Peace Prize selection committee over the years, decades actually, has served to render the award virtually meaningless. This becomes particularly graphic when you review the resumes of those who weren't selected in a given year. Obama ought not receive criticism in that there is no evidence he sought or lobbied for this award.

Underscoring the mockery, regardless of from whence it comes on the political spectrum, is growing resentment of the way virtually everything is becoming politicized and thereby rendered meaningless.

Where have you gone, Joe Dimaggio?
A nation turns its lonely eyes to you...

America, and the rest of the world, needs and seeks heroes. Unfortunately, we can remove "Nobel Peace Prize" from the list of potential identifiers.

10-12-2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

You mean the critics are playing......... wait for it.................... base-ball.

"There's no crying in baseball"

Nor should there be childish whining when the other team (and the league as a whole) wins.

Or cheering when the other team (and the league) lose (the olympic bid) to a foreign team.

10-12-2009, 01:17 AM	#77
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Haven't you heard? When Obama went over there, they said, Look Dude, don't be greedy, it's either the Olympics or Nobel Prize, you can't have both. Obama said, Fuck Chicago, show me the money. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-12-2009, 07:46 AM	#79
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	All of that is true and some of what Obama ha done have made positive changes in the world view. He was nominated a long time ago and that is the only issue I have. What exactly was he nominated for at that point in time, not the current one. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-12-2009, 07:56 AM	#81
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	gotcha. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-12-2009, 08:00 AM	#82
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	__________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

10-12-2009, 08:23 AM	#86
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	And so he has. "The most or best work..." Didn't say y'all had to like the work. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

10-12-2009, 12:27 AM	#76
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	So far as I can tell, there's me, Shawnee, and Radar who think it was. From what I've seen in the news, Obama's diplomatic efforts thus far have already gone a long way to repairing the damage that Bush and his administration had inflicted on the world. He's been spending a lot of time overseas talking with various people, and apparently, it's made a great impression. There's really no reason I can think of not to be happy about it.

10-12-2009, 08:43 AM	#87
Redux Guest Posts: n/a	While I still think it is a stretch, I can see compelling reasons for the award. In the past, it has often been based on policies and promises rather than results and a strong case can be made that Obama's campaign promises and early policies promoted a set of values that certainly meet the objectives of the award. I further agree with Radar that the mocking of the award by many on the right, like the cheering when Chicago lost the Olympic bid, serves no purpose other than to pander to the conservative republican base. Last edited by Redux; 10-12-2009 at 08:49 AM.

10-12-2009, 09:16 AM	#88
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	You mean the critics are playing......... wait for it.................... base-ball. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-12-2009, 09:20 AM	#89
Henry King Of Oreos Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Possum Holler NC Posts: 33	There's been as much mocking from the center and left, and I'm not sure it's true that such mockery is only disingenuous when it emits from the right. The mockery is directed at the selection committee, less so at Obama. The squirrelly selection process exhibited by the Nobel Peace Prize selection committee over the years, decades actually, has served to render the award virtually meaningless. This becomes particularly graphic when you review the resumes of those who weren't selected in a given year. Obama ought not receive criticism in that there is no evidence he sought or lobbied for this award. Underscoring the mockery, regardless of from whence it comes on the political spectrum, is growing resentment of the way virtually everything is becoming politicized and thereby rendered meaningless. Where have you gone, Joe Dimaggio? A nation turns its lonely eyes to you... America, and the rest of the world, needs and seeks heroes. Unfortunately, we can remove "Nobel Peace Prize" from the list of potential identifiers.

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