Impeding changes to our Health Care system

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Fail. Why do you want to take away insurace from seniors? Who says you know what they can or cannot afford as a block group? Why should older people pay for the younger people who are healthy by cutting their insurance? In his Joint Session speech President Obama promised that no one on Medicare would be forced to lose the coverage they have now. So he basically lied to the seniors. How do you save money on Medicare when the government has been unable to control waste, fraud, and abuse since the inception of Medicare? More smoke and Mirrors by the Demoncrats....

I see a trend here.

Obama is a liar and/or a bulshitter on nearly every issue.

And those who disagree with you are failures and narcissists.

Now its your turn to flood the discussion with 10 or so more cuts/pastes.

And, I'll chime in again after that.

[TheMercenary]

Politifact check says, not so fast Dems, this is how their smoke and mirrors process works.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ot-be-cut-und/

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

I see a trend here.

Obama is a liar and/or a bulshitter on nearly every issue.

I wouldn't go that far, he is no different than anyother scumbag in D.C. He lied to get votes and now he can't pull it off without being caught.

And those who disagree with you are failures and narcissists.

Anyone who gets all upset because people don't believe what they believe is truely narcissistic, eh don't care that much if you believe what I believe.

Now its your turn to flood the discussion with 10 or so more cuts/pastes.

Don't let the facts get in the way of your support for the Demoncratic propaganda. You are really no different. As soon as someone challenges your ideas you yell "racist" in an attempt to stop the discussion. Certainly you should be able to defend my questions to you and those points raised in the opinion that I posted?

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

....As soon as someone challenges your ideas you yell "racist" in an attempt to stop the discussion...

Now that ignorant comment does piss me off.

I defy you to link ANY post of mine when I yelled "racist"

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Now that ignorant comment does piss me off.

I defy you to link ANY post of mine when I yelled "racist"

I should have rephrased it. You are like the guy who does that to stiffle the conversation when they are losing. It is your Modus operandi.

[TheMercenary]

You don't think care is going to be hard to come by?

Health Bills In Congress Won't Fix Doctor Shortage

The number of residency training positions for all doctors has been flat for years. That's because in a budget-cutting move in 1997, Congress froze the number of Medicare-funded medical residency positions. Since then, the U.S. population has increased by more than 30 million — making the need for additional medical residents particularly acute, according to the Association of American Medical Colleges. While some teaching hospitals have added residency positions using their own money, those slots have largely gone to train specialists who can improve the facilities' bottom line.

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Don't let the facts get in the way of your support for the Demoncratic propaganda. You are really no different. As soon as someone challenges your ideas you yell "racist" in an attempt to stop the discussion. Certainly you should be able to defend my questions to you and those points raised in the opinion that I posted?

Originally Posted by Redux

Now that ignorant comment does piss me off.

I defy you to link ANY post of mine when I yelled "racist"

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I should have rephrased it. You are like the guy who does that to stiffle the conversation when they are losing. It is your Modus operandi.

I'm calling more bullshit. Merc, dude...think about this. Even when I read your post I thought "no, Redux does not call racist."

So Redux calls you out on that, and you say you should have rephrased? Rephrased? How about just saying "yeah, that was a bunch of bullcrap and a lie."

Seriously, man. One who lives in modus operandis shouldn't throw stones.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

CBO Puts House Health Bill Total Cost At $1.055 Trillion....

Which is about a 10% increase over current levels.

[classicman]

The ones who are going to be hurt the most are those with the smallest political clout. The disabled, the elderly and the chronically or terminally ill. Many programs designed to care for these Americans have already lost their funding or been frozen for months.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Which is about a 10% increase over current levels.

But the original promise was that we were going to SAVE money. That was my original argument way back at the beginning. How are we going to insure so many more while spending less. I already knew the answer, we weren't. And if you really think that its not gonna cost about 20% more than that number, you, and many others, are gonna be sadly mistaken.

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by classicman

The ones who are going to be hurt the most are those with the smallest political clout. The disabled, the elderly and the chronically or terminally ill. Many programs designed to care for these Americans have already lost their funding or been frozen for months.

This is the first I heard of that. I am on disability and I still get health care and prescriptions thru Medicaid. HUD helps me with my rent, and I'm still getting my food stamps. On one hand, I think certain government programs could be changed to better help those with disabilities. On the other hand, I am very grateful to the American people for the help I do recieve.

[classicman]

OBRA hasn't had any money for months. The other two programs haven't either. There are people I know that have been waiting for their assessments since December . . . Thats almost a year without any help. They are both disabled and now confined to their homes with no therapies nor care. They have to be assessed first. I won't go on, but I am doing my homework and the more I learn, the less I want the gov't involved. State, Fed, local... doesn't matter. The gov't screws up just about everything they try to do. Unfortunately, I NEED their help.

[TheMercenary]

[quote=Shawnee123;604467
I'm calling more bullshit. Merc, dude...think about this. Even when I read your post I thought "no, Redux does not call racist."

So Redux calls you out on that, and you say you should have rephrased? Rephrased? How about just saying "yeah, that was a bunch of bullcrap and a lie."[/QUOTE]Because it was neither. As I restated it I clarified it for him. Whether he likes the analogy or not is not the issue. That is how I see his responses. All is cool till he can't respond anymore and then he is like the guy who trys to redirect the conversation by calling someone a "racist". I am not looking for agreement from you.

[Shawnee123]

OK Mr Circular Argument Modus Operandi What The Hey Are You Talking About?



You must, certainly, confuse even yourself from time to time with this dance!

Originally Posted by classicman

OBRA hasn't had any money for months. The other two programs haven't either. There are people I know that have been waiting for their assessments since December . . . Thats almost a year without any help. They are both disabled and now confined to their homes with no therapies nor care. They have to be assessed first. I won't go on, but I am doing my homework and the more I learn, the less I want the gov't involved. State, Fed, local... doesn't matter. The gov't screws up just about everything they try to do. Unfortunately, I NEED their help.

The ARRA (stimulus bill) included about $120 billion (nearly 1/6 of the total $$ in the bill) for COBRA and Medicaid, as well as $40 billion for extended unemployment benefits, $20 billion for food stamps, etc.

Are there examples where people get "screwed".....undoubtedly. But I think the vast majority of those who benefit from those programs would not describe it as a government screw up.