The Obamanation

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

You can change the words...you can't change the numbers....

Your right, it has to do with percentages of Dems and percentages of Repbs and as those numbers changed over the years from 1866 to present, there were periods where the majority of one over the other was in issue, not the actual numbers.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

So what? Both parties have checkered pasts. Do you really believe the Republican party of today resembles the Republican party of Lincoln?

Never said it did. I was not talking about the Republickins. Just the party in power and disputing your points that the Dems have historically lead the way on any of the issues you made to UG. You were wrong.

Originally Posted by Redux

Rewriting history again, UG?

It was Democratic programs from the New Deal and labor legislation of the 30s that ended the depression; the post-WWII programs that invested in education, built the nation's current infrastructure, underwrote the infant technology and bio-med industries, funded the aerospace industry; the civil rights legislation of the 60s that was instrumental in the creation of a Black middle class.....all of which not only created more personal wealth, but fueled the economic engine of which you speak.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Never said it did. I was not talking about the Republickins. Just the party in power and disputing your points that the Dems have historically lead the way on any of the issues you made to UG. You were wrong.

Democrats introduced and led the fight for the New Deal programs (cut unemployment in half and nearly doubled the GDP in the first two years), the Taft-Hartley Act, the GI Bill, the Interstate Highway System (under a Republican president), significant federal funding of the very early tech industry, the creation of the US space program, and yes, the Civil Rights Act.

All of these heavily funded federal Democratic programs (the Taft-Hartley and Civil Rights Act the least in terms of federal funding, but significant in terms of jobs) created job opportunities and contributed to personal economic growth for a burgeoning middle class and fueled the economic engine of the country.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Democrats introduced and led the fight for the New Deal programs, the Taft-Hartley Act, the GI Bill, the Interstate Highway System (under a Republican president), significant federal funding of the very early tech industry, the creation of the US space program, and yes, the Civil Rights Act.

All of these contributed to personal economic opportunities for a growing middle class and fueled the economic engine of the country.

Yes, bipartisan efforts of both Dems and Repubs contributed to personal economic opportunities for a growing middle class and fueled the economic engine of the country. Not just a single party.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Yes, bipartisan efforts of both Dems and Repubs contributed to personal economic opportunities for a growing middle class and fueled the economic engine of the country. Not just a single party.

One party has to lead in order to implement change....it doesnt happen in a vacuum.

These are all programs that UG and many Republicans and Libertarians now criticize as "big government" and "tax and spend"...the fact is, those programs made a difference to, and had a positive impact on, millions of Americans.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

One party has to lead in order to implement change....it doesnt happen on its own.

Another historical falsehood. You really drink the koolaid don't you.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Another historical falsehood. You really drink the koolaid don't you.

If you say....your're the man!

Its pointless to take this any further.

[TheMercenary]

"One party has to lead in order to implement change"

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

"One party has to lead in order to implement change"

Right.

Change is self-motivated...it just happens without any stimulation or leadership.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Right.

Change is self-motivated...it just happens without any stimulation or leadership.

You want cheese with that?

Now I understand how we got into the Iraq War.

It just sorta happened on its own.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Now I understand how we got into the Iraq War.

It just sorta happened on its own.

Wow! Really? Tell me about that. I haven't heard about it.

[classicman]

Simply put . . .

It's Bush's fault

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Wow! Really? Tell me about that. I haven't heard about it.

The way I figure it was that Buddy, the Bush WH dog found a scrap of paper on the floor of the Oval Office one night....snuck out and raced down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol and dropped it into the bill hopper when no one was looking (helpful illustration):

Once in the hopper, the innocuous scrap of paper transformed itself into a resolution to invade Iraq....and hopped out of the hopper, snuck onto the private underground train system for members of Congress and made its way to the appropriate Committee rooms.

Whereupon, it marked itself up, made its way to the floor of the House and voted electronically for itself....then scurried across the rotunda and made its way to the floor of the Senate and passed itself by unanimous consent of one.

Bush and the Republican leaders of Congress had nothing to do with it.

[Shawnee123]

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