Vaccination & epidemic

[Undertoad]

Of course I would agree; of course!

But since the flu shot is one of the safest vaccines, it's much more likely to prevent you from injury/serious illness/death, so to describe it as "dangerous" is silly.

It's like - once in a while, somebody gets clocked by an automotive air bag... a handful of people have died, mostly children. Dangerous? Well they've saved about 10,000 lives, so you make the call.

Meanwhile, my DJ google alert is STILL, to this day, filled with tards reason-challenged bloggers linking the original DJ YouTube video, to tell people how dangerous the H1N1 shot is. Never mind that wasn't the vaccine she received. Never mind she's all better now, her situation is descrbied as permanent.

And now that I mention that, I recall that "permanent" was how you, Clod, described DJ's condition in post #395 of this thread.

[Flint]

I could prevent myself from getting toenail fungus by chopping off my foot. Should I? Would it be dangerous?

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Of course I would agree;

But since it's much more likely to prevent you from injury/serious illness/death, to describe it as "dangerous" is ridiculous. It like - once in a while, somebody gets clocked by an automotive air bag... a handful of people have died, mostly children. Dangerous? Well they've saved about 10,000 lives, so make the call.

See... to me....the chances of getting the disease you're inoculating against are slim to start out....and then, the chances of being killed by that disease are yet another level of slimness.

the chances of getting injured by some fucked up concoction of who knows what... that some money motivated government sponsored program decides is a good thing... in general terms....is at least equal, if not greater.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

See... to me....the chances of getting the disease you're inoculating against are slim to start out....and then, the chances of being killed by that disease are yet another level of slimness.

The numbers are available. Regular flu: 100,000 hospitalizations per year, about 35,000 deaths per year. I could not find a death attributed to the regular flu vaccine this year. H1N1 has about 13 deaths due to vaccine -- although one is from a motorcycle injury, so I'm not sure how that works.

the chances of getting injured by some fucked up concoction of who knows what... that some money motivated government sponsored program decides is a good thing... in general terms....is at least equal, if not greater.

*shrug* maybe, worse things have happened, although not with so many eyeballs involved.

[Flint]

Oh yeah, there's so many eyeballs. Of course, if they see anything it's because they are wrong/crazy.

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

The numbers are available. Regular flu: 100,000 hospitalizations per year, about 35,000 deaths per year. I could not find a death attributed to the regular flu vaccine this year. H1N1 has about 13 deaths due to vaccine -- although one is from a motorcycle injury, so I'm not sure how that works.

i met a man a couple weeks ago whose wife was paralyzed by a flu vaccine. he was a plumber. regular dude.....he and his daughter were buying a car, and the trade was in his wife's name.....i had to have the salesman go over to their house to get the title signed by her because she couldn't come to us easily. in 1999, she got a flu shot. the next day, she was in the hospital.

she's not dead, so i guess she doesnt appear either...

have you ever met anyone whose friend or relative died of the flu?

i haven't