Toyota stop sale - Page 2

tw · 01-31-2010, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

there's the rub. do the dealers....once they figure out HOW to fix them.....fix customer cars or inventory of unsold cars first?

I suspect we are talking about weeks before any solution is implemented in serious numbers. And we still do not even know what this solution is. Did they really fix a problem? Or just move / reshape the pedal? A solution that will easily take many months just to get going on a large scale.

lumberjim · 01-31-2010, 07:37 PM

I've seen a couple different opinions of what causes this issue..... one says the floor mats get tangled up with the pedal, and another says the drive by wire throttle position sensors are faulty........

sounds like a boogie man scenario......

TheMercenary · 01-31-2010, 07:50 PM

Yea, they sent me the floor mat boogie man memo, I went out an looked at mey truck. No fucking way that my matt could get caught under the pedal. I think they were reaching at that point for a simple solution. The new one will obviously be much more expensive.

jinx · 01-31-2010, 07:58 PM

I wonder it's the same problem the audi 5000 had. That would be ironic.

tw · 01-31-2010, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx

I wonder it's the same problem the audi 5000 had. That would be ironic.

The audi 5000 was clearly drivers stomping on the gas pedal. Then claiming they were pressing the brake pedal. Even a Consumers Report investigation and video made that obvious.

This Toyota problem is different. In one crash, the brakes literally melted.

jinx · 01-31-2010, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

The audi 5000 was clearly drivers stomping on the gas pedal. Then claiming they were pressing the brake pedal. Even a Consumers Report investigation and video made that obvious.

Yes. I know.

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In one crash, the brakes literally melted.

Didn't know that. Is there a link?

tw · 01-31-2010, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

..... one says the floor mats get tangled up with the pedal, and another says the drive by wire throttle position sensors are faulty........

Or a spring on the pedal sometimes does not push the pedal back up. Or ... I have read everything I could find. Nobody (with responsible knowledge) is even suggesting what is the problem OR what the Toyota pedal solution solves.

We now get to learn how Toyota manufacturing works. Years ago, at the only source of brake cylinders - that plant burned down completely. Using concepts taught by Deming, Toyota literally had a sewing machine manufacturer completely trained in Toyota production techniques and manufacturing brake cylinders in three days. Toyota supplies do not win contracts only on price.

This pedal is made only in northern Indiana. Only the more informed news services will discuss how Toyota got production changes implemented AND expanded to meet demands. Obviously that is proprietary information - except where better new services are asking that sidebar question.

glatt · 01-31-2010, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx

Didn't know that. Is there a link?

I hadn't heard that either, but just found this.

"In the accident that has drawn perhaps the most publicity, a 2009 Lexus ES 350 raced through San Diego, weaving at 120 miles an hour through rush-hour freeway traffic. Veteran California Highway Patrol officer Mark Saylor was at the wheel, with his wife, teen-age daughter and brother-in-law aboard.

"We're in trouble. ... There's no brakes," Saylor's brother-in-law told a police dispatcher over a cellphone. As they approached an intersection, and the end of the road, the passengers could be heard urging each other to pray. All four died.

Afterward, investigators said that it appeared the brakes had been applied for so long that the brake pads melted, according to a report by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

tw · 01-31-2010, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx

Didn't know that. Is there a link?

To the Audi and Toyota problems? Or a URL? I have so many sources that I cannot remember which ones reported on that one crash and the melted brakes.

And BTW, one would be completely devoid of basic driving techniques to not know how to put a car into neutral or switch it off (without the steering wheel locking up). For those who do not know how to do this, well, even after thirty years of driving, I still learn a new driving technique. Most who learn how to drive have only started to learn what should be common knowledge - such as how to put any moving car into neutral.

Same is why drivers go to snowy parking lots. Get up a little speed and spin the wheel. Every driver should have a feeling for how that car spins out - and how to control it. Even a parking brake is a steering tool when one finally learns basics.

Fact that so many have suffered death due to this ‘failure combined with little driving knowledge’ implies how much larger the problem actually may be.

jinx · 01-31-2010, 08:21 PM

But the OP story says

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A new recall announced today by Toyota includes approximately 2.3 million Toyota cars, trucks and SUVs. No Lexus or Scion models are included.

Yeah, I'd be putting it in neutral or downshifting with the tiptronic thing long before the prayers...

Pie · 01-31-2010, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

what color is your Accord?

Green. :p

classicman · 01-31-2010, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

Same is why drivers go to snowy parking lots. Get up a little speed and spin the wheel. Every driver should have a feeling for how that car spins out - and how to control it.

Cruisin with tw in a snow covered parking lot - Now THAT sounds like a good time. :p

squirell nutkin · 01-31-2010, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Every car on the road that has properly working brakes, can be stopped with the engine running at full throttle... every car.

Yeah, well that don't work so good when you drop your 40 and the bottle rolls under the brake pedal...

xoxoxoBruce · 01-31-2010, 11:17 PM

That's OK, those people deserve to die.

Undertoad · 02-01-2010, 04:52 AM

http://www.dailyfinance.com/article/...assure/882812/

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The company has said the recall of about 4.2 million cars and trucks is related to condensation that builds up in the gas pedal assembly and can cause the accelerator to get stuck. Dealers say the fix involves slipping a shim into an area where springs push the gas pedal back to its resting position after a driver has eased off the gas. Toyota has not commented on the repair.

01-31-2010, 07:37 PM	#17
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	I've seen a couple different opinions of what causes this issue..... one says the floor mats get tangled up with the pedal, and another says the drive by wire throttle position sensors are faulty........ sounds like a boogie man scenario...... __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

01-31-2010, 07:50 PM	#18
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Yea, they sent me the floor mat boogie man memo, I went out an looked at mey truck. No fucking way that my matt could get caught under the pedal. I think they were reaching at that point for a simple solution. The new one will obviously be much more expensive. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

01-31-2010, 07:58 PM	#19
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	I wonder it's the same problem the audi 5000 had. That would be ironic. __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

01-31-2010, 11:17 PM	#29
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	That's OK, those people deserve to die. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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