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Old 04-11-2010, 12:12 PM   #1
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Even though the Church (Pope) is guilty of non-action, or the wrong action, the Church (Pope) isn't responsible for the non-action by all those district attorneys. These are civil crimes, felonies, that should have been prosecuted. If more DAs had done that, more people would have spoken up. Seeing others complain, and be ignored by law enforcement, has a chilling effect on the rest.
Wait, you're saying that the church has been filing police reports about the crimes committed by priests all along and the DAs have just not been prosecuting them?
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Old 04-11-2010, 02:27 PM   #2
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Wait, you're saying that the church has been filing police reports about the crimes committed by priests all along and the DAs have just not been prosecuting them?
Each church diocese has kept detailed records of their pedophiles and other 'crimes'. But the only DA I know of that subpoenaed those records is Lynn Abraham of Philadelphia. Those were published in the Philly Inquirer. Some of it still exists in Philadelphia Grand Jury Report on Pedophile Priests And the Archbishops Who Protect Them

So yes, we should be asking about the cozy relationship between the church and government prosecutors. After all, the Pope ordered all catholic lawmakers to change the laws to conform to church doctrine even if it contradicts fundamental American principles. How much influence does the church have on all Americans? How many DA's refused to subpoena the records that all dioceses keep?

List of where sexually abusive priests were located:
http://www.philadelphiadistrictattor...Appendix_B.pdf

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Old 04-11-2010, 08:10 PM   #3
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the Pope ordered all catholic lawmakers to change the laws to conform to church doctrine even if it contradicts fundamental American principles.
Got some proof of that?

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You linked to the wrong one - Appendix B. . . This is the correct link
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Old 04-11-2010, 02:59 PM   #4
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Wait, you're saying that the church has been filing police reports about the crimes committed by priests all along and the DAs have just not been prosecuting them?
No, I'm saying victims, and their families, have made complaints to civil authorities that weren't prosecuted.

Well Lady, in order to press charges, your kid will have to take the stand, and your family will be at the center of, possibly even blamed for, this scandal embarrassing the church. Or you can just let the Bishop handle it, and still go to heaven.
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Old 04-11-2010, 09:11 PM   #5
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No, I'm saying victims, and their families, have made complaints to civil authorities that weren't prosecuted.
So why could Lynn Abraham have the balls to convene a grand jury. While prosecutors all over the country would not? Why was abuse so widespread but mostly prosecution had to occur through civil trials?

Had this been the mafia, the Feds would have been all over it.
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Old 04-12-2010, 12:25 AM   #6
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Go back and read the rest of my post.
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Old 04-12-2010, 10:59 PM   #7
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Go back and read the rest of my post.
It is called a Grand Jury. The lady has no choice. She and her kid would have to testify.

So why is Philly but the few who would open a grand jury investigation five years ago. A question not just for America. A question for Australia, Ireland, Germany, Canada, India, Italy, Spain and Chile. Clearly this was never just an American problem. Whereas the Church said they were turning such priest over to local jurisdication, Lynn Abraham's Grand Jury five years ago demonstrated it was just the opposite.

Well, maybe she is not Catholic. Irrelevant. No matter how many times I try, even I cannot get myself excommunicated. But then I couldn't get on Nixon's Enemies list either.
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Old 04-13-2010, 12:45 AM   #8
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It is called a Grand Jury. The lady has no choice. She and her kid would have to testify.
Not if the grand jury doesn't hear about it.
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So why is Philly but the few who would open a grand jury investigation five years ago. A question not just for America. A question for Australia, Ireland, Germany, Canada, India, Italy, Spain and Chile. Clearly this was never just an American problem. Whereas the Church said they were turning such priest over to local jurisdication, Lynn Abraham's Grand Jury five years ago demonstrated it was just the opposite.
Good for Abraham, one of how many tens of thousands of DAs in this country?
Why do you keep asking the same question, one that nobody can possibly answer?
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Old 04-13-2010, 11:34 PM   #9
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Why do you keep asking the same question, one that nobody can possibly answer?
Because some questions are what everyone should be asking. Or else the problem festers. How many could not be bothered to look into Watergate? How much pedophilia was condoned by the Catholic Church because a majority did not ask such damning questions?

Another damning question that virtually no one asked. And so that problem got away with murder. When do we go after bin Laden? For seven years, America never did and virtually nobody asked.

Most every DA (for reasons that everyone should be demanding from their DAs) could not bother to investigate internationally protected pedophilia? Why not? Not just that DAs did not investigate. Why is an overwhelming majority even in the Cellar not asking this damning five years ago when the church was into “coverup mode”?
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Old 04-12-2010, 08:45 AM   #10
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So why could Lynn Abraham have the balls to convene a grand jury. ...
Maybe she's not catholic.
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