May 11, 2010: Painter blind from birth - Page 2

classicman · 05-13-2010, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by spudcon

I agree with Gravdigr. How does a person blind from birth even understand the concept of color. Without a point of reference, can anyone explain the color blue?

I think it was in the movie Mr Holland's Opus. (maybe not)
But one person was explaining colors to another using alternate senses. IIRC (probably not) Blue was like a stone and red was something hot.... That sorta thing. Yes it was just a movie and I still don't get how it relates to painting.

Now I wonder why I even shared this. Oh well...

Shawnee123 · 05-13-2010, 09:29 AM

I don't think they need to understand the concept of color, as long as they know what colors other people perceive things as. In the world of color, it is like rote memorization...not creativity of color such as Van Gogh, and requiring a different kind of talent and tasking.

Sheldonrs · 05-13-2010, 12:07 PM

Wow! Blind since birth and he's STILL a better artist than Andy Warhol.

Gravdigr · 05-13-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

I don't think they need to understand the concept of color, as long as they know what colors other people perceive things as. In the world of color, it is like rote memorization...not creativity of color such as Van Gogh, and requiring a different kind of talent and tasking.

I think one has to understand the concept of color, as well as depth, shading, and most importantly, nuance.

Look at the slight shades of green on the bottom of those not quite ripe bananas. Or the thin white stripe between the rind of the watermelon and the 'meat' of the melon. The slight reflection of the light source in the grapes. I don't know if someone blind from birth could "get" that, regardless of how thorough an explanation or description they receive.

Also, (while I'm being difficult) I've seen some people on TV, doing something a blind person shouldn't or couldn't be able to do. But, the thing is they're "legally blind", not completely, totally, always-in-the-dark blind. Seems there are various shades of blind. And, that, to me, is some form of bullshit.

Gravdigr · 05-13-2010, 01:02 PM

Of course, a blind artist could go all abstract on yer ass...

squirell nutkin · 05-13-2010, 01:22 PM

Funny hypnosis/NLP on color perception with Derren Brown:
Watch the whole thing

Shawnee123 · 05-13-2010, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr

Of course, a blind artist could go all abstract on yer ass...

I'm gonna go all abstract on YOUR ass!

rditlkustoleit · 05-13-2010, 02:25 PM

A lot of questions could be answered if he would consent to being videoed while painting or painting on a live show (quiet set of course).

Of course, if he is actually 100% blind, you may not need his permission at all to quietly set up the video camera

rditlkustoleit · 05-13-2010, 02:37 PM

Got my wish... sort of.

Apparently in 2008 Volvo did a documentary of sorts on Esref where they filmed his process for their new S60.

http://www.facebook.com/Volvo#!/Volvo?v=app_4949752878

also at - www.facebook.com/volvo

xoxoxoBruce · 05-13-2010, 07:40 PM

Yeah but, somewhere along the line somebody had to tell him what colors are, and where they go. Then had to supply the colored paints labeled for him to distinguish which is which. They also had to explain shadows. Oh, and that bananas are two colors.

That said, in doesn't take away from the fact that what he does is fucking amazing, even without color.

Shawnee123 · 05-13-2010, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rditlkustoleit

A lot of questions could be answered if he would consent to being videoed while painting or painting on a live show (quiet set of course).

Of course, if he is actually 100% blind, you may not need his permission at all to quietly set up the video camera

Yeah, but their other senses are heightened, so they can totally smell you setting up a video camera.

squirell nutkin · 05-13-2010, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Oh, and that bananas are two colors.

That said, in doesn't take away from the fact that what he does is fucking amazing, even without color.

red, yellow, green, brown, and tan inside.

Let's not forget a lot of great artists were insane

rditlkustoleit · 05-13-2010, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Yeah, but their other senses are heightened, so they can totally smell you setting up a video camera.

I appreciate the optimistic vote of confidence that it would take "heightened senses" to smell me.

Your point is well taken, so this would be a two man job. I have a buddy that farts like a lumberjack who could throw him off the trail.
While Esref is clearing his head I will set up the video camera.

SPUCK · 05-14-2010, 05:21 AM

Get him all set up then turn the lights off..

HungLikeJesus · 05-15-2010, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

I think it was in the movie Mr Holland's Opus. (maybe not)
But one person was explaining colors to another using alternate senses. IIRC (probably not) Blue was like a stone and red was something hot.... That sorta thing. Yes it was just a movie and I still don't get how it relates to painting.

Now I wonder why I even shared this. Oh well...

I think that was from Mask.

05-13-2010, 09:29 AM	#17
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I don't think they need to understand the concept of color, as long as they know what colors other people perceive things as. In the world of color, it is like rote memorization...not creativity of color such as Van Gogh, and requiring a different kind of talent and tasking. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

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rditlkustoleit Violator of Customs Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 49	A lot of questions could be answered if he would consent to being videoed while painting or painting on a live show (quiet set of course). Of course, if he is actually 100% blind, you may not need his permission at all to quietly set up the video camera __________________ If we're not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?!

05-13-2010, 02:37 PM	#24
rditlkustoleit Violator of Customs Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 49	Got my wish... sort of. Apparently in 2008 Volvo did a documentary of sorts on Esref where they filmed his process for their new S60. http://www.facebook.com/Volvo#!/Volvo?v=app_4949752878 also at - www.facebook.com/volvo __________________ If we're not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?!

05-13-2010, 07:40 PM	#25
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Yeah but, somewhere along the line somebody had to tell him what colors are, and where they go. Then had to supply the colored paints labeled for him to distinguish which is which. They also had to explain shadows. Oh, and that bananas are two colors. That said, in doesn't take away from the fact that what he does is fucking amazing, even without color. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-14-2010, 05:21 AM	#29
SPUCK Professor Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,911	Get him all set up then turn the lights off..

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